rescue dog, cowers and pee's when told commands........

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i got this blue heeler and named him sonny. he originally was the best dog i had ever seen. he was eager to learn everything and do the right things for the most part. he sleeps either at my feet on bed or on the floor by my feet. spends up to 12 hours a day in the air conditioning while i am gone at work and never pee's on the floor. last week, my mom came for a visit and she sweet talked him to death, and gave him tons of table scraps when i told her not too. ever since she left, i can't even speak the word "no sonny" at a normal voice, and he cowers down, and pees on the floor and on himself. i have been giving him baths, and cleanin it up for 4 days now. he is not responding to anything. went to park yesterday, and played frisbee, later, he had got up and got a paper plate off the counter and ate the little bit of sloppy joe that was left on it. when i said sonny. in a normal tone. he peed then went and laid down and looked at his penis like it isn't his fault. but if he has a problem how could he stay inside all day and not go potty. none of this makes sense to me. i would really really appreciate any input on this problem. thanks so much. neil chamberlain
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Thats why to dog was in a rescue! Submissive urination!! Common in females but not common in males. Your dog has no confidence. Probably genetic in nature. I doubt your mother giving it table scraps had anything to do with this. Probably drove its first owners crazy with all the peeing. VERY hard to work with a dog like this. I wish you luck because it won't be easy!
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My suspicion is that this dog was abused by his former owner after hearing the words "No sonny" for doing something bad.
If you can't tell Sonny "No" without him being fearful, don't say it.
Prevent the problem. Don't leave things on the counter, and invest in a crate. When you cannot watch Sonny, plop him in the crate for a while with some favorite toys and maybe even a really yummy bone.
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My suspicion is that this dog was abused by his former owner after hearing the words "No sonny" for doing something bad.
If you can't tell Sonny "No" without him being fearful, don't say it.
Prevent the problem. Don't leave things on the counter, and invest in a crate. When you cannot watch Sonny, plop him in the crate for a while with some favorite toys and maybe even a really yummy bone.
Why does everyone assume that if a dog has a temperament problem that it has abused? A dog does not have to be abused to show temp problems. Some dogs are just born weak becasue of their genetics. Strong temperamented dogs really aren't ruined and turned into submissive urinators all that easily. I am willing to bet this issue has always been there, just buried, and now it has been brought back to the surface.
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i can't explain it. he was not like this for a whole month. he just took everything in stride. is it possible he is playin a game here?? the one thing i noticed right away about him, is that he is smart enough that if i get him mad at me, he will try in some way to get back at me. my mom always had bad dogs, cause of the sweet talking she did. he never got treated that way by me. i was straight forward with him and gave him tons of love, but he never heard a sweet voice oggle at him. now he seems to be scared of my voice when he has done something wrong. it happened overnight. thanks again
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Why does everyone assume that if a dog has a temperament problem that it has abused? A dog does not have to be abused to show temp problems.
I agree. There are many dogs that are just like that naturally. But that doesn't mean that you can't help him.
What you need to do is build his confidence. Don't tell your dog "no". Instead, try calmly redirecting unwanted behaviors. For example, if Sonny chews a shoe, take the shoe without making a fuss and give him a chew toy instead. Sonny will learn what you want without being startled or scared.
Over time, as his confidence in you builds, Sonny will stop his peeing. He'll realize "This person will never hurt me," and stop becoming anxious. Good luck!
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hate for him to have to be in there. this dog was running wild for about a month, the farmer kept seeing him runnin around his land. and finally he came to them. actually the little bugger jumped up on the counter and then on to the top of fridge when he first entered my house. but after two days in crate while i was at work, i crossed my fingers, and left him the whole house to run around in for 12 hours. and he was perfect for a whole month. now this. it doesnt' make sense. he was so eager to learn and be good. i need to break this habit somehow. he has identified the problem. i know it cause he looks at his lower unit, after he does it. he is very smart and receptive. thanks for the help i sure need it.
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he may not have been abused, but the fact remains the same, he's afraid of your voice NOW. if you don't change it, the submissive peeing will not change. It may not just be your voice either, morelikely body posture and expression. Dogs can pick up on anything, if you're upset or mad they know it. YOu'll have to watch everything you do or you'll likely never overcome this problem.
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Ouch, that sounds awful. I think you need to focus on training, because the combination of unpleasantness and helplessness in the face of such a bad habit will drive you completely nuts if you let yourself dwell on possible 'he's doing it to mess with me' scenarios. I'm not discounting them, just saying that it'd probably be easier if you try not to psychoanalyze it. As to the actual training, I'm at a loss. As a first step, I'd try to spend as much time as possible with him outside - spare the rugs and you won't get as upset as fast (not to be insulting, but it's only natural to get upset at this) if it's happening outside. Maybe if he sees you not react to the behavior outside, he'll cut it out inside too.
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i had taken him to work with me a few days, and while sweeping my shop, he was cowering from the broom really bad.
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he has been known to pee on his face and all over hisself. he gets more baths than i do. really nice. he looks to be a high dollar pure bred and acted like it before. he just wants to be with me. so i guess, when this happens, he will have to go into cage. being away from me will make him realize (i hope), that he needs to quit. i just took him out and played frisbee with him. he is still outside. i will try him out again in the house. i can handle one episode today. if he fails i will calmly put him back into cage. he likes his cage. unless i am here and he hears me on the phone doing stuff. i don't know. thanks for your continued help.
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If you say that the 1st month went well, does this mean that you didn't find that you had to tell him "No" quite so often?
Maybe try re-directing (as some of the others have said) and i don't know a whole lot about training, but couldn't another word be used as the "No" command?? (Just asking this to the people here that know more on the training side).
Good luck and i hope that you and sonny can overcome this problem. :)
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i got this blue heeler and named him sonny. he originally was the best dog i had ever seen. he was eager to learn everything and do the right things for the most part. he sleeps either at my feet on bed or on the floor by my feet. spends up to 12 hours a day in the air conditioning while i am gone at work and never pee's on the floor. last week, my mom came for a visit and she sweet talked him to death, and gave him tons of table scraps when i told her not too. ever since she left, i can't even speak the word "no sonny" at a normal voice, and he cowers down, and pees on the floor and on himself. i have been giving him baths, and cleanin it up for 4 days now. he is not responding to anything. went to park yesterday, and played frisbee, later, he had got up and got a paper plate off the counter and ate the little bit of sloppy joe that was left on it. when i said sonny. in a normal tone. he peed then went and laid down and looked at his penis like it isn't his fault. but if he has a problem how could he stay inside all day and not go potty. none of this makes sense to me. i would really really appreciate any input on this problem. thanks so much. neil chamberlain
Many times with a rescue situation, you won't really know the dog's true personality or issues for sometimes up to 3 months. It is however, pretty rare for a dog to be this submissive when in the situations that you've described unless he either has had little to no socialization or has a history of abuse. While it can appear for no apparent reason except genetic heredity, social heredity is more often the culprit.
However he got to this place, it is workable. You've mentioned too many positives not to see his potential.:)
My newest rescue Lola, came from a puppy mill that we closed down. She spent the first 2 years of her life in a barn with 30 other dogs, no heat, no lights and very little food. The only social interaction she recieved was during the 3 c-sections (yes she was bred every heat), and as a result was very hand shy and terrified when I brought her home. My demands on her were few. House training was our first lesson, which she passed with flying colors. Next, her submissive peeing. She would do it if we even walked her way, so we approached her from the side with no eye contact. For the first several months, we never picked her up, instead we sat next to her and waited for her to climb onto our laps. We absolutely never reprimanded her, instead we set her up for success so that praise was her new experience. If she started to panic while I held her, I let her go. She now enjoys a firm snuggle but will still start to panic a bit if held too long! The submissive peeing is a distant memory.:)
We've had Lola for one year. She's an absolute angel. I can't believe that after the he!! she suffered for the first 2 years of her life, she's still open to love. This has been my experience with most of my similar rescues.
Many of the rescue greyhounds that I deal with are the same. They are a very sensitive breed and usually don't show their true colors for several months, one reason they are equipped with a basket muzzel as a requirement for the first while when in a new home. With patience and consistency, they too come around, as I'm sure your Sonny will if you set him up to succeed.
Tessa was right (as usual :D ) about how to do this. Anticipate the mischief that he may get himself into and avert it. Praise for all desired behaviors. Be patient.:)
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no no no no. i said "no" more than i can remember. i was actually making jokes with people at work, that all i do is run around sayin no. but he was totally receptive and learned everything he wasn't supposed to do immediately. obviously he knew what no meant already. after the first week, i didn't have to say no very often. he learned it all already. i used to joke that he is smarter than some of my friends. that was how well he used to learn.
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sorry for leaving out such critical info, i messed up there i think.
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but he overcame that within two weeks. these dogs are supposed to be work horses. and all they want to do is run run run. but it is so hot, and i keep my house air conditioned to 67 degrees. so when i run him, he is totally worn out after 15 minutes, he wants back in the house. i have had him at huge graduation parties, where he learned his new boundaries of a new yard, and stayed in it all day and night, playing with 1 year olds to 70 year olds. he loved all of that. and was the best dog i ever saw. till now. thanks so much. you input is very appreciated.
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I think your mother may have something to do with this, but not quite in the manner you're thinking. A new person came into the house, showered him with good things and Sonny came to realize that a new 'leader' had shown up. Most of us will show some sort of deference to our parents even if we aren't aware of it. Now, your mother has left and to Sonny this may seem like the 'pack balance' was upset...the 'leader' left. This may have unsettled and confused him to the point that he is now submissive peeing and acting out.
I would be firm in what I expected of him, and very consistant in it. Firm does not mean physical or loud, just that you are very clear on what you want from him. Set him up for success, make him sit before he eats and other NILIF type exercises. Run a search either through the boards here or on Google for NILIF, you'll find a lot both ways.
Good luck and keep us posted! Do you have any pictures of your loveable troublemaker?
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i named him sonny cause he is my son. he is a handsome young lad.
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i promise i didn't give him that black eye. lol
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