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I could do with some advice if anyone can help :)
I have a Purebred 15 month Male ESBT (Bailey)
He is great.
He is slightly bigger than his breed statistics state.
He should be 14-16" and weigh and weigh 11-17Kg.
However he is 19" and weighs around 20Kg.
I am not too concerned about this as i have seen both parents and also his littermate lives close-by and is smaller.
I think that Bailey just grew a little too much :p
Here is where the advice comes in.....
I have just brought home an 8 week old puppy (Ralph)
His Mother is Purebred ESTB and his Father is Purebred ISTB.
Now the weight and height of the Irish is a lot bigger than the English.
Expected height 17-24" and weight 25-35Kg.
Now these statistics are that of a Purebred ISTB.........
So with Ralph being a mixture of the two, would you all think that he will end up at the lower end of the scale?
The reason i am trying to work this out is b/c i am trying to figure out how much food he needs.
Would be grateful if anyone would know what to do for the best.
Caren
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i would figure if bailey is on the bigger side for ESBT and the other is a combo...the second, puppy, may be about the same size as bailey. depends on genetics though. you'll prolly just have to see.
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I think you'll just have to wait and see. In his litter there may be several who are smaller and several who are larger and several who are inbetween. You'll never know until he's all grown up. :)
Cass.
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This is what i am thinking.
But i don't want to over or under feed him in the meantime.
I thought that maybe i will feed him the ammount required for a dog in between these two sizes.
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I can see you're from UK and as far as I know you guys banned quite a few breeds a while ago. One of them being American Staffordshire Terrier which is pretty much the same thing as ISBT. ;) Irish Staffy isn't a recognized breed, it's just an alternative name for large Staffys or perhaps Staffy/Pitt Bulls mix that under normal circumstances would be destroyed. :( I don't agree with your law, but I'd be really, really scared to own a dog like this, specially because if someone decides to report you to police and they come and check your dog out and if they decide your dog is a Pitt or a Pitt mix of some sort, they'll probably put him to sleep. :( Unless you have papers to prove your dog is a SBT........
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Thanks for the Info, i must say i didn't know this and will be looking into it.
I don't have papers for Ralph so will have to see what i can do to try and protect in against certain laws.
Although i know and have seen alot of Irish Staffs here in the UK and have never heard of anyone having to have them destroyed.
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This is what it states on the UK Dogs Trusts for Laws in the UK.
• Dangerous Dogs Act (DDA) 1991
There are two main sections to this Act. Section 1 applies to four specific breeds of dog including ‘the type of dog known as the pit bull terrier’. Owners of these breeds had to comply with certain legal requirements, including having their dog registered, neutered, microchipped and tattooed. One of the main problems with this law is that the pit bull terrier is not a recognised breed in the UK. As a result, many owners of cross breeds which resemble a pit bull terrier ‘type’ have been charged under the Act.
Section 3 applies to all dogs, making it a criminal offence to allow a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place. This includes instances where there is fear that an injury might occur.
Owners found guilty under either section of the Act could have their dog destroyed, face the possibility of six months in prison and/or a fine not exceeding level 5 (at present up to £5,000).
Now all i need to find out is, how on earth do i know if he has Pitt in him??
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I am really starting to worry now :(
Ok here is a pic of mum and dad..........could everyone please tell me if you think dad (i know mum is full bred English) looks like he could have Pitt in him.
I don't see pitt there anywhere myself, but then it is an American Breed so i am not sure..........I do know that the APBT have pointed ears.
Mum
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/caren21/DSC01344.jpg
Dad
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/caren21/0106022.jpg
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Quite frankly, I couldn't really tell whether the father does or does not have a Pit in him(perhaps someone more experienced with the breed might help!!). Here is my auntie's Pit Bull girl, perhaps that might give you some idea:
http://christina.moj-album.com/slike/116429/y_xfZplsEEZUhX_7.v.jpg
http://christina.moj-album.com/slike/116429/04JcsprI4gYeuInl.v.jpg
The law is actually not very precise and that is what's a bit worrying. :(
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Thanks for that.
Her face looks quite slim and the head not so wide.
Maybe this is b/c she is young (she looks young in the pictures).
Boy she has a big tongue LOL
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LOL, she is quite young on this photo :) ...... I seriously hope someone more experienced in both breeds might help us. There were many discussions about this subject on other forums though. The only conclusion they came up with was that it all depends on the individual police officer. If he things the dog is actually "Pit Bull type" then there's nothing you can do about it.... unless you have papers to prove otherwise.
Here's a big smile for you! :D
http://christina.moj-album.com/slike/116429/rBPPxYkOzy5ziAU0.v.jpg
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Tell your Aunt that i said her dog is adorable :)
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He, he thanks, I will! ;) And I have to say your 2 are adorable as well....... I have always loved Staffys! They're so friendly and great with kids.....
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Awe, thank you very much.
Yes they are great with children :)
They can be dog aggresive, however i have yet to see this side of Bailey.
He is quite happy to play with anything that moves, LOL
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I live in Ontario Canada, and the pittbull ban is in effect. Here it's all to the discretion of the By-Law officer. My parents own a bull mastiff mix (they got from the pound) and I admit that his head looks similar to an AmSTaff but he's over 27' and he weighs about 120lbs! That's waaay to big for a pit, but anyways they tried to fine my mom $5000 for not having a muzzle on him.. Luckily the pound she got him from and his PassPort to Health all said Bull Mastiff X so it's was thrown out.
I would say that the pics of all the dogs on this thread have some type of "pitbull". Whether their full or mixed it doesn't matter. Any dog with pitbull is relative to the bans.
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To give you an idea of what a pitt bull looks like, I posted a pic of my mix, Coby.
He is a pitt, rottie, and lab mix.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h305/LauraAnn828/Coby/HPIM0949.jpg
As you can see in this pic, he has a very large head. Most pitts have this trait in them. There haven't been many (that I have seen anyway) who have small heads. Ralph doesn't look like he has this trait. I see the dad had a quite large head, but it doesn't look as if Ralph does.
Hope I have helped!!
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Thanks :)
Bailey is ESBT and he is actually not far off being as big as Ralphs dad!
Bailey is big for his Breed and Crook is on the smaller scale for the ISBT.
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You'll have a better idea when he gets a little bit older.
Coby, right from the start, had a big head, and I knew he would take after his mom.
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You'll have a better idea when he gets a little bit older.
Coby, right from the start, had a big head, and I knew he would take after his mom.
I wouldn't be too worried if Ralph has pit in him........If they weren't a Banned Breed here in the UK :(
The thing with him getting older is that we will grow more and more attached to him and then it would break my heart if he had to be destroyed :(
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there's really no way to know if he has pit bull in him, though by the looks of dad, i'd say probably. no idea what the actual enforcement over there is like- if he were mine i'd try to make him into the best behaved dog possible and not cause any problems.
i hate bsl.
the bigger of my two pit bulls is 25 kg. my girl is about 20.5 kg. they both stand about 17" at the shoulder.
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Dad is an awesome looking dog. I am by no means an expert but he looks like an american staffordshire bull terrier to me. Pitbulls tend to be leaner and more athletic looking but there are a few breeders in the US nowadays that are striving to breed bigger and broader pitties. I really do love the look of dad.
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Hi,
First of all there is NO such breed as the English Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and there is NO breed called the Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The only kind of Staffordshire Bull Terrier there is, IS the Staffordshire Bull Terrier :D There is an American Staffordshire Terrier but there is no "Bull" in the breeds name. Sorry if that sounds rude but it's the only way i can explain it.
There is a gemeral thought that the name "Irish" Staffordshire Bull Terrier came about as a means to get around the D.D.A. and that people were breeding Pitbull crosses and just naming them something different.
There are Staffordshire Bull Terriers from Irish lines but they are still just known as Staffordshire Bull Terriers, NOT "Irish".
The problem is with the law being what it is here in the U.K. your dog can be siezed and put to sleep just for being of "pitbull type". The American Staffordshire Terrier falls into that catogory, hence they are ilegal here. We all know how the law CAN work, you could happily own a pitbill in this country for the whole of it's life, yet someone else will own a dog that just happens to be of the "pitbull type" and will face legal action and risk their dog being put to sleep. It's a little like speeding, we all know it's illegal but sometimes you can get away with it and other times you cant. The biggest problem is that the more of these "pitbull types" that get siezed the more publicity it will bring to all Bull breeds again, and you can bet your life they will try to set examples. (The ********) Whether we agree with the D.D.A./ B.SL. it is the law and by owning and breeding dogs that fall within them it's only the dogs that will suffer.
I hope that makes sense and was of some help.:confused:
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Hi,
First of all there is NO such breed as the English Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and there is NO breed called the Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The only kind of Staffordshire Bull Terrier there is, IS the Staffordshire Bull Terrier :D There is an American Staffordshire Terrier but there is no "Bull" in the breeds name. Sorry if that sounds rude but it's the only way i can explain it.
There is a gemeral thought that the name "Irish" Staffordshire Bull Terrier came about as a means to get around the D.D.A. and that people were breeding Pitbull crosses and just naming them something different.
There are Staffordshire Bull Terriers from Irish lines but they are still just known as Staffordshire Bull Terriers, NOT "Irish".
The problem is with the law being what it is here in the U.K. your dog can be siezed and put to sleep just for being of "pitbull type". The American Staffordshire Terrier falls into that catogory, hence they are ilegal here. We all know how the law CAN work, you could happily own a pitbill in this country for the whole of it's life, yet someone else will own a dog that just happens to be of the "pitbull type" and will face legal action and risk their dog being put to sleep. It's a little like speeding, we all know it's illegal but sometimes you can get away with it and other times you cant. The biggest problem is that the more of these "pitbull types" that get siezed the more publicity it will bring to all Bull breeds again, and you can bet your life they will try to set examples. (The ********) Whether we agree with the D.D.A./ B.SL. it is the law and by owning and breeding dogs that fall within them it's only the dogs that will suffer.
I hope that makes sense and was of some help.:confused:
This is actually the same thing I was saying. There is only one Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the ones called Irish Staffy are simply either Large Staffordshire Terriers or AmStaff mix but sold under this name (you can't exactly advertise your pups as AmStaff in UK.
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No, you are quite right you cant really advertise them as AMstaffs in the UK, but then should they be being bred or advertised here at all ? I totally disagree with the D.D.A. and B.S.L. BUT by breeding these dogs in countrys they are banned is not only very ignorant and irresponsible it is also very selfish. Why take the risk of breeding dogs that could be siezed and PTS ? I can appreciate that people have strong feelings, about the breed they love is banned but they are doing the breed no favours at all by possibly having the pups they breed siezed and PTS are they ? I couldn't live with myself knowing that i had bred dogs and gave them to loving homes that they maybe taken from and killed. If people in the UK continue to breed AMstaffs, APBT's and label them as irish staffs, it wont be long before they Staffordshire Bull Terrier goes exactly the same route as the pitbull and gets banned. The authorities will soon get sick of not knowing which Stafford is really a Stafford, what the Irish Staff really is and they will just make a blanket ban. People need to take more responsiblity for the litters they breed, and either tell perspecive new puppy owners exactly what they are buying and the possibilities and dangers they may face with owning a banned breed, instead of hiding behind a made up name to peddle banned dogs to unsespecting new owners. OR they could just stop breeding them.
This is actually the same thing I was saying. There is only one Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the ones called Irish Staffy are simply either Large Staffordshire Terriers or AmStaff mix but sold under this name (you can't exactly advertise your pups as AmStaff in UK.
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Yes, people SHOULD be more responsible about destroying another beautiful breed (talking about Staffrdshire Bull Terriers) and though I don't understand the whole concept of banning certain breeds, I still think that the law should be obeyed.
In my country we have no such law and I don't even think it would make much of a difference anyway. Unless you ban bad owners which i think would actually be a GREAT idea ;) ), people can be dangerous with any breed if they decide to train it in a completely wrong and irresponsible way. Any aggressive dog in the wrong hands can be dangerous. I'm not sure why would an aggressive, manipulated Pit be any more dangerous than Dogo de Bordaux or Bullmastiff (those 2 breeds are completely legal in UK)!
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As far as i'm aware the only breeds that are banned under the D.D.A. In the UK are.
the Pit Bull Terrier
the Japanese tosa
the Dogo Argentino
the Fila Brasileiro
Whilst the Amstaff is not on that list they are classed as being of "pitbull type" so are at risk too. For some reason the Government have decided to bury their heads in the sand and believe that there are no banned breeds left in this country, and that their ban worked. In actual fact what it did was allow people to continue breeding these dogs but call them another name, such as the Irish Staff, and the governmeant be none the wiser, because lets face it how many politicians would be able to tell the difference between any of the bull breeds ? Should the Government open their eyes and realise that they have been fooled, there will be hell to pay. No Government likes to be made to look silly and they will start with the Staffordshire Bull Terrier just to make an example, the Staffords name has been used in vain for so long as a cover for a majority of these banned breeds that they will be the breed that gets targeted. A majority of the so called Irish Staffs i've seen are amstaff x English Bull Terrier, Pitbull x English Bull Terrier..etc..and infact dont have any Staffordshire Bull Terrier in them at all, yet the breeds name gets used (It really bugs me)
It is either a case of these people just dont care about any of the breds they represent, or they are so nieve that they just dont realise the damage they are doing. Personally i believe they just dont care and will stick with it to keep the money coming in, with no care or thought at all, and they will just move on to a different breed if they have to.
I know where you are coming from with regards to what defines a dangerous dog ? Unfortunatly it's the word "Bull" that does it, then of course there is the ignorance of people :mad: