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Anyone have opinions?
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Yep. I love it.
I use to feed Beneful. My opinions were that it was an ok food.. Then I switched to FRR. Wonderful things started to happen! She filled out more started to play more. More lustre to her coat. I love it. And they always ship fast as well.
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I have a vendor willing to ship it to me for $120/shipped for 100 lbs, is that competitive?
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It's a decent food, much better than Beneful, but not quite as good as the marketers make it out to be. I fed it for awhile and have had much better results with Innova.
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I would rank it as slightly better than Nutro (Natural Choice line), but it certainly doesn't measure up to the standards of the really high end food.
What I especially don't like about it is that it is sold through a multilevel marketing scheme and there is no real uniformity on product information. In my opinion that is best left to the manufacturer.
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I buy Flint River for my Shelties and have had wonderful results. But I too question their marketing channels.
Chazhound
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to be dense, but what does the marketing stuff mean? I mean, in terms of my dogs? As long as you know what food you are getting, does it matter who sells it?
I'm happy with Innova but now that the GSD is growing up and I have 4 dogs, the cost is becoming prohibitive.
I like too that FFR is shipped to one's door.
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All product information has been copied from the manufactorer from what I can tell anywhere I go to buy. And their marketing scheme has nothing to do with the quality of the food. They allow people to make a % off of it by selling it on their own website. It's the same thing that happens with a billion other products on our local store shelves.
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I just heard from a friend about Diamond dog food when I was talking about FRR. Chicken Soup for a Dog Lover's Soul or something like that. Top 3 ingredients not grains. Sounds good to me.
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Personally, I don't like Chicken Soup. The ingredients are good, but I just think there are too many. FFR is a good food. I don't feed it, but I have heard good things.
I feed RAW.
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Personally, I don't like Chicken Soup. The ingredients are good, but I just think there are too many. FFR is a good food. I don't feed it, but I have heard good things.
I feed RAW.
I eat lots of different things. Why would the number of ingredients make a difference?
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All product information has been copied from the manufactorer from what I can tell anywhere I go to buy.
Yes, but whatever is posted in addition to the actual facts is up to the individual representatives, and I've seen a lot of websites where inaccurate descriptions of ingredients are given, unfounded claims are made and unfair, incorrect comparisons to other foods are made.
How is the majority of dog owners out there, who isn't particularly educated about pet food to begin with, supposed to differentiate between what's true and what isn't?
And their marketing scheme has nothing to do with the quality of the food.
But it has everything to do with providing correct, uniform information to consumers. In a multilevel marketing scheme there are far more people involved who want to make a profit and thus they are more likely to tell you exactly what you want to hear, just to make a sale.
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Yes, but whatever is posted in addition to the actual facts is up to the individual representatives, and I've seen a lot of websites where inaccurate descriptions of ingredients are given, unfounded claims are made and unfair, incorrect comparisons to other foods are made.
How is the majority of dog owners out there, who isn't particularly educated about pet food to begin with, supposed to differentiate between what's true and what isn't?
But it has everything to do with providing correct, uniform information to consumers. In a multilevel marketing scheme there are far more people involved who want to make a profit and thus they are more likely to tell you exactly what you want to hear, just to make a sale.
Sorry but I have not saw anyone give false information. The ones I have saw stick to what FRR tells them. Their "scheme" is no different from others exept one area. They are not only a distributer but they sell retail as well. Normally a distributor would only sell to retail stores and then from there you get your higher priced product from individual stores. With FRR they allow the middle men to purchase the rights to sell retail but FRR also sells retail themselves. Therefore resulting in a change in prices. Some places will be higher, some not. It may be a bad choice in marketing but it doesn't change the quality.
And you can always choose to order direct from FRR.
So I'll have to just respectfully disagree.
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I looked at several different FRR sites just to check on prices and I too did not see any differing info, the ingredient list and so on was reproduced exactly in the different sites.
I would really think that such differences are not going to come up since others like me will shop around and detect material changes and ask questions. The FRR seems to be a good food with convenience of delivery right to your door, I do not think a distributor will risk a good thing by saying ridiculous stuff.
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I'm basing my statements on what I've seen during my research on commercial food in the past 5 years.
If you are comfortable with the marketing scheme etc., that's fine, but few of the claims made about FRR foods hold up under close scrutiny and it isn't really any better than many other mainstream foods.
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I'm basing my statements on what I've seen during my research on commercial food in the past 5 years.
If you are comfortable with the marketing scheme etc., that's fine, but few of the claims made about FRR foods hold up under close scrutiny and it isn't really any better than many other mainstream foods.
Mordy,
We appreciate your research and the time you take to advise us. But I am getting a sense here that you champion a few foods and the rest are going to get knifed in the back no matter what. I have not advanced any special claims about this food. The ingredient list is fair, there are better, there are worse.
Here, you write:
I would rank it as slightly better than Nutro (Natural Choice line), but it certainly doesn't measure up to the standards of the really high end food.
What I especially don't like about it is that it is sold through a multilevel marketing scheme and there is no real uniformity on product information. In my opinion that is best left to the manufacturer.
We showed that there is indeed product uniformity. The vendors copy and paste pertinent info about FRR onto their sites, not a one of them that I have seen, for this particular product, is making stuff up out of thin air.
While I do not doubt that you can find instances on the internet where some sites portray inaccurate information, you have not cited any such instances for the vendors we spoke of here and to judge all vendors by the irresponsible few is not only unfair, it is actually defaming the responsible sites.
I have some points if what your goal is, is to actually help dogs:
1) Realize that although there is a difference in commercial dog foods, the different ranges from the best to the least, not a small group of Mordy endorsed foods and then an amorphous mass of everything else.
2) Don't rest on your research. If readers have opinions, questions, thoughts; if you take the time to respond, you can link to research, give facts, show older threads that might be pertinent.
There is nothing more frustrating, or less likely to help dogs, than someone saying 'It is this way because I've done the research'. When you rank a food at a certain level, give reasons.
I do not doubt that you have done the research, but knowledge is not like diamonds, to be hoarded, it is like love, to be shared.
While from what I have seen, the same sorts of questions come up again and again, it would take you only a small amount of time to store links to sites, to older threads, to published information, so that if you do participate in a thread, you are giving people a way to grow and learn about the important subject of canine nutrition.
Show people. Don't tell people.
And we do appreciate your knowledge.
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But I am getting a sense here that you champion a few foods and the rest are going to get knifed in the back no matter what.
If that 's your opinion, you are entitled to it and there's nothing I can do to change it. I endorse foods that meet certain standards and will always speak out against those that don't. If you're looking for reasons, please do feel free to read through my site.
I have not advanced any special claims about this food. The ingredient list is fair, there are better, there are worse.
I know you haven't, but many FRR reps do on their sites. Go make the effort for yourself and read through 100 or 200 individual sites of various FRR reps and you'll see it for yourself. Yes, there are some good ones that provide great information, but there are also many that make false claims such as that the amount of fatty acids in a food doesn't matter as long as the ratio is correct and so on.
We showed that there is indeed product uniformity. The vendors copy and paste pertinent info about FRR onto their sites, not a one of them that I have seen, for this particular product, is making stuff up out of thin air.
No, you haven't really shown me anything. You have told me things. Big difference.
While I do not doubt that you can find instances on the internet where some sites portray inaccurate information, you have not cited any such instances for the vendors we spoke of here and to judge all vendors by the irresponsible few is not only unfair, it is actually defaming the responsible sites.
Don't you think it would be more defaming if I actually pointed out the individuals and drove traffic to their sites? In addition to that, I simply don't have the time to monitor sites of individuals trying to sell a particular product, an I'd rather focus my energy on high quality foods that deserve the attention.
1) Realize that although there is a difference in commercial dog foods, the different ranges from the best to the least, not a small group of Mordy endorsed foods and then an amorphous mass of everything else.[quote]
I realize that very well, and you will find that statement over and over again if you make the effort of actually reading my site. And when someone asks for opinions on a particular food, I will give mine, and substantiate it, just like everyone else here.
[quote]2) Don't rest on your research. If readers have opinions, questions, thoughts; if you take the time to respond, you can link to research, give facts, show older threads that might be pertinent.
There is nothing more frustrating, or less likely to help dogs, than someone saying 'It is this way because I've done the research'. When you rank a food at a certain level, give reasons.
I don't rest on my research. It's ongoing every single day I have time to spare, which also includes coursework on various topics. Nobody's access to the search feature on this forum is limited and a link to my site can be found in my signature. I have the time to give pointers, but I can't dedicate an hour's work of time to each and every single post on various forums I visit, that's why I made a website that's full of information on the topic of commercial foods.
I do not doubt that you have done the research, but knowledge is not like diamonds, to be hoarded, it is like love, to be shared.
Again, I agree. And it's shared freely, at http://www.dogfoodproject.com for those who aren't too lazy to actually look for it. :)
While from what I have seen, the same sorts of questions come up again and again, it would take you only a small amount of time to store links to sites, to older threads, to published information, so that if you do participate in a thread, you are giving people a way to grow and learn about the important subject of canine nutrition.
I do, as far as time allows, but since I don't participate only on one forum, I generally post things that come up often on my website so it is accessible to everyone. Pardon me, but the majority of my time goes to my paying customers, because I have bills to pay and pets to feed as well. I have yet to turn down a single person who sends me an email with specific questions though.
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Mordy,
We appreciate your research and the time you take to advise us. But I am getting a sense here that you champion a few foods and the rest are going to get knifed in the back no matter what. I have not advanced any special claims about this food. The ingredient list is fair, there are better, there are worse.
Here, you write:
I would rank it as slightly better than Nutro (Natural Choice line), but it certainly doesn't measure up to the standards of the really high end food.
What I especially don't like about it is that it is sold through a multilevel marketing scheme and there is no real uniformity on product information. In my opinion that is best left to the manufacturer.
We showed that there is indeed product uniformity. The vendors copy and paste pertinent info about FRR onto their sites, not a one of them that I have seen, for this particular product, is making stuff up out of thin air.
While I do not doubt that you can find instances on the internet where some sites portray inaccurate information, you have not cited any such instances for the vendors we spoke of here and to judge all vendors by the irresponsible few is not only unfair, it is actually defaming the responsible sites.
I have some points if what your goal is, is to actually help dogs:
1) Realize that although there is a difference in commercial dog foods, the different ranges from the best to the least, not a small group of Mordy endorsed foods and then an amorphous mass of everything else.
2) Don't rest on your research. If readers have opinions, questions, thoughts; if you take the time to respond, you can link to research, give facts, show older threads that might be pertinent.
There is nothing more frustrating, or less likely to help dogs, than someone saying 'It is this way because I've done the research'. When you rank a food at a certain level, give reasons.
I do not doubt that you have done the research, but knowledge is not like diamonds, to be hoarded, it is like love, to be shared.
While from what I have seen, the same sorts of questions come up again and again, it would take you only a small amount of time to store links to sites, to older threads, to published information, so that if you do participate in a thread, you are giving people a way to grow and learn about the important subject of canine nutrition.
Show people. Don't tell people.
And we do appreciate your knowledge.
This is VERY unfair Lucille. Mordy does post her research again and again and again. She's walked many members through it and all the answers are on her website or here on the forum. She spends hours answering PMs and emails and IMs because sooo many people want to pick her mind. But the same questions come up over and over and over. Why? Because people are too lazy to go and look up the answer themselves. They are all there. She's been through them. I can't remember the last time a new questions was asked in the food forum but people want to be spoonfed and when she gives her answer she gets this! Not fair and not cool.
Everyone should do their own research! There's a search button in the blue bar on the top and she has links to her website in her signature. Not only that but she has listed many times several good books on different issues.
Personally I'm thankful to Mordy for all the help she's given and all the time she spends on her research and helping us - for free! She's trained on the subject and could easily be charging people for this but she wants to help the dogs. So thank you Mordy for everything you've done!
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I am so thankful for the research Mordy has done :) and that she is considerate enough to share it with everyone...Thank you Mordy for all the time and effort you have put into your research and for sharing :D
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2) Don't rest on your research. If readers have opinions, questions, thoughts; if you take the time to respond, you can link to research, give facts, show older threads that might be pertinent.
There is nothing more frustrating, or less likely to help dogs, than someone saying 'It is this way because I've done the research'. When you rank a food at a certain level, give reasons.
Time after time, I've seen Mordy direct people to her website, where there is not only her research, but links to websites, both commercial and academic, not only to substantiate her findings, but to provide easy access for people who are interested enough to do their own due diligence and learn how to digest all the various information and dis-information in the pet food arena.
While from what I have seen, the same sorts of questions come up again and again, it would take you only a small amount of time to store links to sites, to older threads, to published information, so that if you do participate in a thread, you are giving people a way to grow and learn about the important subject of canine nutrition.
Again, this is at http://www.dogfoodproject.com . I've seen it myself ;)
I do not doubt that you have done the research, but knowledge is not like diamonds, to be hoarded, it is like love, to be shared.
Show people. Don't tell people.
And we do appreciate your knowledge.
I would imagine this is precisely why Mordy has invested all the hours (by now it must be in the thousands) of research and computer time and time and money spent on education that she has in The DogFoodProject.
I've spent the greater part of my adult life doing research that directly impacts human lives - sometimes impacting whether a human continues to have life, literally - and Mordy's research techniques and her ability to collate and interpret data objectively make me feel very secure in depending on her findings.
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I am thankful for the time and effort that Mordy has put in at not only her own domain but at other sites. I would never would have known about the options that I have besides Nutro and the nasty grocery store brands. As a result, Jed is complemented whenever I take him out on his shiny fur and sparkly eyes :)
Thank you Mordy :)