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Can they eat the bone?
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I dont know :( but I love pork chops :D havent had any in a while, and you made me want some...:D
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my mom gives it to her chi all the time they love it
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Oh I know they love it. We had some that were in the freezer tooo long and I gave one to mav. It seemed very crunchy and I"m worried about their teeth.
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Oh I know they love it. We had some that were in the freezer tooo long and I gave one to mav. It seemed very crunchy and I"m worried about their teeth.
:D I didnt even notice section this was posted in :) I just saw pork chops and had to reply.. :D
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having a craving? :D
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having a craving? :D
Yes Ma'am :D I love pork chops, but I dont like the boneless ones :rolleyes: Go figure. I guess I am just weird...
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lol I hated pork in my pre-veg days. Applesauce is good though :D
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I love applesauce, hate apples :)
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Oh I like apples but I don't normally just grab an apple. I like fresh apple juice. Applesauce. Apple pie lol
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Oh I like apples but I don't normally just grab an apple. I like fresh apple juice. Applesauce. Apple pie lol
I love warm apple pie... :)
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I like apple crisp too :D
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Oo Hmmm... I am not sure if I have had any of those :)
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I don't really know...but I stay away from pork chops. the bones seem like they'd splinter too easily. (and that's raw, of course) I remember when people always gave their dogs cooked pork chop bones...GEEZ, if I think raw is too risky, imagine how cooked freaks me out. LOL maybe it depends on the dog (yours are big and probably chomp right thru them) I stick to just chicken/turkey to feel safe. :) :)
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Yeah. I think I might just give them the meat. He did crunch right through it but it sounded HARD. lol I want him to have all his beautiful teeth.
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I've never seen such horrible diahrrea as when my mom gave Meisha leftover porkchop bones with a bit of meat still on it.
IIRC, doesn't Mordy say to avoid giving pork at all?
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I just don't like to give my dog any bone except a good shank or knuckle bone. Sorry, but even raw chicken or pork bones.... I know they wouldn't be chewed up. Back when we could afford a good 2" bone on sirloin steak....those were great , as we cooked rare and the bone wouldn't shatter.
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Pork is okay if the individual dog tolerates it. Raw babyback and spare ribs are nice, especially for smaller dogs, since they are fairly soft, and so are the neck bones. I've also fed pork femurs since they are a lot softer than beef ones.
Some dogs get diarrhea if fed too much pork, or if they eat pork period. I've found out Quigley can eat pork without getting the runs, but I have to cut the portion size to about 2/3 the amount he'd get of any other meat.
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Sorry to bump but...
Is it rule or rumour that pork HAS to be frozen first. I bought pork necks today because they were all out of chicken but it's fresh and I don't ahve anything else to feed. Can I give it to them or does it have to be frozen first?
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i've always been told, and seen first hand, that bones are bad for dogs. the splinter, can get caught in gums, between teeth, stuck in the throat, lodged in the intestines, get stuck on the way out (very uncomfortable for the dog since he can't have a BM due to pain). the only bone i've ever let Tira have was a big ham bone and she only chewed/licked on it til the rest of the meat was gone and she started to break the bone.
i've known people that gave their dog any kind of bone, almost every day, and never phased the dog. i've also known people where the one time they decided to give the dog a bone, it splintered and messed the dog's insides up. i've heard that pig ears were'nt that great for dogs, but mine has had them before with no trouble. she hasn't had any in a few years though.
IMO i don't think any dog should eat bones. if you want to give them the marrow, crack the bones yourself and give it to your dogs that way. :)
but, you're gonna do what you want to do...so it's just my opinion....lol
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My dogs are on a raw diet and get raw bones every day. the cooked ones splinter. They femors and weight bearing bones can crack teeth. They get soft bones and they chew them well. Kibble's only been around 60 or 70 years I think. Before that they always ate bones and meat.... completely natural.
Anyway. thoughts on pork?
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http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/bones.html
http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/db1.jpg
Bone is composed of minerals that are common in many ordinary foods. The scant protein matrix in bone is mainly collagen and dogs can't digest and assimilate collagen! So where's all that great nutritional benefit that is supposed to be coming from the actual "bone" really coming from? It comes from the meat, cartilage, fat and connective tissue that happens to be along for the ride.
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I'm not here to argue about bones.
I talked to mordy on IM about pork and yup, I've got to freeze it.
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http://www.petcaretips.net/eating_dog_bones.html
the other side.
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You just have one, biased source?
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not here to talk about bones...hmmm...wasn't the original post about if dogs can eat pork chop bones??? yes, it was. you won't talk about bones if someone disagrees with you, but you'll discuss crisps, applejuice, pies, etc with someone that does agree with you. interesting.....but, if something happens because of the bones you feed...it will be your fault and no one elses. :) have fun with bones.
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LabBreeder, if you want so me truly unbiased information about feeding bones, don't look for information from sources that are heavily influenced by the pet food industry, whose members would rather sell you crappy food and fake chew products for a lot of money.
I highly recommend the book "Raw Meaty Bones" by Dr. Tom Lonsdale, which is a true eye opener.
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considering i just gave a second source....lol...i guess you pick and choose what you read and believe...
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This is an old thread. I posted a new question. If you want to talk about bones feel free but I came here to talk about pork.
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again....that was the person in the second link provided. but i guess you all don't read unless it's somethin you disagree with
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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
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If something happens because of the bones you feed...it will be your fault and no one elses.
Let's apply that to a few other things that can be equally harmful to dogs...
If something happens because of the commercial food you feed...it will be your fault and no one elses.
If something happens because of the fake chew toys...it will be your fault and no one elses.
If something happens because of the tennis balls you let your dog play with...it will be your fault and no one elses.
If something happens because of the squeaky toys you let your dog play with...it will be your fault and no one elses.
If something happens because of the sticks you let your dog play with...it will be your fault and no one elses.
...and so on and so forth.
Bones are no worse than all those other things if you feed the proper cuts, don't feed heat treated bones and keep an eye on your dog.
Many people feed a raw diet with great success, and that does include bones. I'm one of them, and all my past dogs even if not on raw were also allowed real bones throughout their entire lives, and not once in 26 years has there ever been a problem.
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good for you. you feel justified in what you are doing. like i said before, some people can feed bones all the time with no problems...i guess you are one of them.
if you want to put bones in the same category as chew toys (and every other mundane thing you mentioned) then go right ahead. it's all about what you know and what you do for prevention of problems.
buy tougher/bigger chew toys - lessens any problems
buy better commercial food - lessens potential problems (allergies, etc)
tennis balls/squeaky toys - same category as chew toys; get bigger/tougher balls/toys
sticks - not good for a dog to play with that's why there are toys made for fetch/retrieve. sticks are as bad as bones sometimes.
bones - i won't ever give anything other than a big hambone and take it away once it starts to break/splinter. MO not yours
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Of course everyone can do as they please, but don't you think it's a little off track to do the kind of fear mongering with posts from biased sites like the pet center etc.?
After all you've posted, I'm surprised that your pick of choice would actually be a ham bone instead of something safer and healthier.
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not here to talk about bones...hmmm...wasn't the original post about if dogs can eat pork chop bones??? yes, it was. you won't talk about bones if someone disagrees with you, but you'll discuss crisps, applejuice, pies, etc with someone that does agree with you. interesting.....but, if something happens because of the bones you feed...it will be your fault and no one elses. :) have fun with bones.
I was the one she talked pies and crisp with, and I never said whether I agreed with her or not.....Chloe doesnt get that many bones, she mainly gets bully sticks and maybe one bone a month...but our discussing pies and crisp's is irrelevant to this thread...;)
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I shouldn't have bumped this thread instead of starting a new one. Sorry. I just was looking to see if I had asked mordy about pork before and then found this....
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I was just adding my .2 cents sorry :( ..
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no, no silly. that wasn't directed at you. Just a general sort of thought. the new question was obviously confusing and not meant to trigger a debate.
Don't be sad!
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Good grief, Jess . . . friends ALWAYS get a little sidetracked when they're having a conversation ;)
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i've fed pork since i started feeding raw with no problems. trich is not a significant problem in north american meat according to the cdc. freezing is still best, though.
dogs who have learned to chew and who are given appropriately sized bones rarely have problems with them getting stuck. which is not to say it doesn't happen, but dogs can choke on kibble as well, so i don't get all worried about it.
the bone part of a raw diet, for labbreeder who does not understand, is extremely important in balancing the calcium/phosphorus ratio. too much phosphorus with no calcium to balance it out will cause a heap of health issues. that's why you *must* feed bone of some form (or, less ideally, calcium supplements in another form) in a raw diet. it's not optional.
i've never given pork chops (spendy) but i give pork necks and pork ribs (and all meat pork shoulder/butt when i can get it cheap) without any problems. my dogs tolerate pork very well.
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Good grief, Jess . . . friends ALWAYS get a little sidetracked when they're having a conversation ;)
LOL I know :D
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I'm going to be freezing these necks tonight and I guess they won't be getting them for awhile. Better to be safe about the parasites right? Now I have to make other dinner plans...
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the bone part of a raw diet, for labbreeder who does not understand, is extremely important in balancing the calcium/phosphorus ratio. too much phosphorus with no calcium to balance it out will cause a heap of health issues. that's why you *must* feed bone of some form (or, less ideally, calcium supplements in another form) in a raw diet. it's not optional.
either way...if you want to feed bones, go ahead...it's your dog. :) my point is, i've seen dogs that people gave bones to and it was not a pretty sight. i don't want to chance that my dog will have a splinter or piece of bone stuck in her throat, mouth, intestines or anywhere else where it could cause a life threatening problem.
as long as she's a healthy weight, getting all of her vitamins/supplements/meats/etc in her diet, exercise, happy and loved. i just don't want to take the chance of something happening. (worked at vets office, dog came in who's owner had given it chicken bones, couldn't poop cause bones were sideways and it hurt when he tried, vet had to pull it out manually with his fingers *small piece, just stuck the wrong way* so the dog wouldn't try to strain and end up with internal bleeding or something.)
what can i say, with my experience concerning bones (not good) i won't let my dog have any. and i don't see a large ham bone being any worse than any other bone since she didn't break it and we took it from her before she could.
as for porkchops....i think they're great! :) ;) my dogs like them to (just in moderation)
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If they don't break it, the case with weightbearing bones, they have a higher risk of chipping a tooth.
It's likely the animals you've seen either weren't chewers or were fed cooked bones. Neither scenario is good.
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either way it doesn't do me any good. :) i am protective over my babies. now, if i could find a lot of people (vets/professionals) that told me exactly which bones and how to cook them and what good they actually did...then i might think about it.
it's just very scary when you see all the bad that bones can do and never see if there is any good in it.
for now i'll just stick to the food and treats i know won't upset her stomach or affect them adversely.
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either way it doesn't do me any good. :) i am protective over my babies. now, if i could find a lot of people (vets/professionals) that told me exactly which bones and how to cook them and what good they actually did...then i might think about it.
it's just very scary when you see all the bad that bones can do and never see if there is any good in it.
for now i'll just stick to the food and treats i know won't upset her stomach or affect them adversely.
The thing about bones is .............You don't cook them...:)
Vets are the last place I would look for nutritional advice. ;)
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The thing about bones is .............You don't cook them...:)
Vets are the last place I would look for nutritional advice. ;)
Word, yo.
It can sometimes take a long, long, long time to get that across to people. They're like... "but, no, I can't eat raw meat & bones so neither can my dog!" It took me a little less than a year to get this across to my brother-in-law's parents, but after giving them a lot of info they feed raw and every single allergy/illness/issue that inflicted their GSD has disappeared completely. OF COURSE feeding cooked bones can/will be extremely harmful to dogs. I would NEVER feed any sort of cooked bone. My Dad once dropped a cooked pork rib and he didn't even realize that Gonzo snatched it up - until I was cleaning up after him on a walk the next day, and two whole halves of a rib bone were in there! ughhh. I routinely feed him raw ribs - never with any side affects. Labbreeder, if you watch a dog (who is appropriately chewing, not gulping) eat raw chicken bones, the bones are broken into TINY pieces that are not sharp and are very soft. Cooked chicken bones is an entirely different story, they are void of moisture and brittle and cannot be broken into small, soft pieces... just jagged chunks, which can certaintly puncture/block intestines.
I sometimes find it ironic when people say they're "spoiling" their dogs by feeding starchy, filler-packed kibble and cookies... even I knew that Raw was soooo much better when I fed kibble, and I feel happy to "spoil" my pups with raw now! ;0) Of course kibble is an "ok" choice, and some dogs do great on it, but only actual, whole meat and bones (with supplements, of course) is truly an appropriate diet for dogs.
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Raw pork with the bones is one of the staples in our dogs diet. Right now they just finished going thru 10lbs of ribs. Gunnar gets a slab of 3-4 ribs all attached, and he munches them down. Midnite gets 2 ribs and Bruzer 1. I also buy pork shoulders (they are real cheap here- about $1.25/lb). I use that as muscle meat until it gets down to the bone with some meat attached, about 2lbs, then Gunnar gets that as his RMB for the day. I get pork necks sometimes at the grocery store once in a while too, but those I have to be careful of with Bruzer as they are often cut in long strips, and he'll swallow them whole without chewing. I've never seen it affect him adversely going in or out though, his stools are normal and he never chokes. He's always been a gulper, swallowing everything as fast as he can.
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Saje, you should freeze any raw meat for at least 24 hours before giving it to your dog.
I give mine pork bones occasionally. (ribs)
Pork chops do sound good. I haven't cooked them in a while. Barbecued pork chops are one of Keith's favorite foods.
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I don't freeze chicken but I freeze pacific salmon and now I'll be freezing pork. Mordy said at least 20 days for the pork. :eek:
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Raw bones are perfectly fine. My dogs have been eating them for a few years and never have they gotten a piece of bone stuck in their mouths. But I can't tell you how many times they've coughed up/choked on kibble.
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I don't freeze chicken but I freeze pacific salmon and now I'll be freezing pork. Mordy said at least 20 days for the pork. :eek:
Be safe, freeze any meat :)
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now, if i could find a lot of people (vets/professionals) that told me exactly which bones and how to cook them and what good they actually did...then i might think about it.
I've said it once, I'll say it again: buy Dr. Lonsdale's book "Raw Meaty Bones". He's a vet, he has done years of independent research that is very interesting but it is suppressed by "peer reviewed" veterinary publications due to the fact that most vets prefer to support the pet food industry because they make profit from selling commercial products as well.
If you have any questions that aren't covered in his book, or not in-depth enough for your liking, you can even email him and he will follow up with you.
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i've fed pork since i started feeding raw with no problems. trich is not a significant problem in north american meat according to the cdc. freezing is still best, though.
It's not only a question of trichinosis, but also of porcine herpesvirus-1.