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So we have new neighbors and guess what! They breed PooChis and Pugchis :rolleyes: . In other words they breed Poodles and Chiuahuas together(sp?) and Pugs and Chis together. They have I would have to say 8-9 dogs because every afternoon there is a little herd of them running all over their backyard. I know they breed them and I know what the breeds are because well they told me. I was walking Pixie and Moose the other day and I met the wife who was walking three of these little dogs (two Pugchis and a PooChi) and asked what breed Pixie was. They have the mixes and then the have from what I can see 3 of which are purebred Chis (1 is pregnant btw) 1 Toy poodle and 1 Pug. They then have the two Pugchis and the one Poochi.
I would say on the outside they look fairly healthy well fed and groomed. But also they just look odd the Pugchis look pretty much like Chis with HUGE eyes bigger then you average chis im not sure how to explain it but you can definatly tell there in pug in there the snout also gives it away. The Poochi to me looks like a typical toy poodle only smaller and shakier with a bit of chi in the face.
There are alot of people around here who are pretty disgusted with the new neighbors breeding ethics. But for every one hater there are three lovers waiting for the newest litter....... Its anouther sad day for dogs.
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Wow it must suck to have those as neighbors... I'm sure she doesn't do any health testing on the dogs either... Pitiful!
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Sigh !!!!
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Wow it must suck to have those as neighbors... I'm sure she doesn't do any health testing on the dogs either... Pitiful!
Yeah it definatly does and I she doesent either. Its so hard to watch but theres not much I can do but push people not to buy pups from her and also just keep an eye out for abuse.
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poor you...
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poor you...
Not so much poor me its poor dogs
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It should be poor neighboor .... she is being bashed on the internet by a bunch of strangers who don't even have a clue about her. For all we know, she is probably a really good, caring breeder.
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Not if she is mix breeding:o that kicks caring breeder and good anywere away form them.
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Who cares if she is mix breeding? If she is giving them the right care, and they are going to good homes, then why does it matter?
I'm sure you have mixed genes as well..... so you must be a mutt right?
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Who cares if she is mix breeding? If she is giving them the right care, and they are going to good homes, then why does it matter?
I'm sure you have mixed genes as well..... so you must be a mutt right?
ahahahahahahahahahaha your funny
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Let me guess,you breed,or like designer mutts:o The whole point of breeding is furthering the breed,making it better,you cna not do that by mixing a breed. A breeder should love their breed,no one who loves a breed will mix it. How sad. I may be a mutt but I am far from a white trash byb hun.
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Let me guess,you breed,or like designer mutts:o The whole point of breeding is furthering the breed,making it better,you cna not do that by mixing a breed. A breeder should love their breed,no one who loves a breed will mix it. How sad. I may be a mutt but I am far from a white trash byb hun.
Couldn't have said it better myself
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Who cares if she is mix breeding? If she is giving them the right care, and they are going to good homes, then why does it matter?
I'm sure you have mixed genes as well..... so you must be a mutt right?
LOL. Thanks for the laugh. No really, if you really think that you can compare dogs and people, go see a doctor, mkay?
Breeding mixes is not ok. There are way too many mutt puppies in shelters already, so there's really no good reason to breed them nowadays... and especially not charge $400 or more for them.
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yes you breed to better the breed, designer breeds are there for one thing only! For the byb to make money, it doesnt matter if they have the best care, she is adding to rescue
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Let me guess,you breed,or like designer mutts:o The whole point of breeding is furthering the breed,making it better,you cna not do that by mixing a breed. A breeder should love their breed,no one who loves a breed will mix it. How sad. I may be a mutt but I am far from a white trash byb hun.
I think you're a NAZI .... must be those German genes in you.. MUTT!
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I think you're a NAZI .... must be those German genes in you.. MUTT!
Stop making this personal
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Whatever. Continue on with your sad life:o
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Who cares if she is mix breeding? If she is giving them the right care, and they are going to good homes, then why does it matter?
I'm sure you have mixed genes as well..... so you must be a mutt right?
I am sorry that you feel that way it does matter as there is so many unwanted animals in the shelters, many being put down daily and this person is breeding irresponsible for the almighty dollar. I am sorry but I truly dont care who she is, she is not responsible therefore why should I care how she feels if there is alot of people on the net dogging on her.
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I think you're a NAZI .... must be those German genes in you.. MUTT!
No offense, but I think you're the nazi because you're the first person who has ever mentionned human genes here :rolleyes: If you're really convinced that mutts are the same as humans, please, go see a doctor.
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Yes, it seems to me that you are one of few that support designer breeds, if so that is your choise, but dont post about breeding when you know nothing about it!
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Yes, it seems to me that you are one of few that support designer breeds, if so that is your choise, but dont post about breeding when you know nothing about it!
Woohoo you go girl!!!!!
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Woohoo you go girl!!!!!
hehe sorry had to say my bit
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Lets get the record straight first..... I don't support BYB at all, nor do I support those who breed animals without the proper knowledge of doing so.
That's the problem with most of you....always jumping the gun at those you don't know or have never met..... and for you to say im uneducated at breeding?.... I'm a vet and can probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about dogs and breeding.
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Lets get the record straight first..... I don't support BYB at all, nor do I support those who breed animals without the proper knowledge of doing so.
That's the problem with most of you....always jumping the gun at those you don't know or have never met..... and for you to say im uneducated at breeding?.... I'm a vet and can probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about dogs and breeding.
well if you are a vet you will know the importance of health testing and only breeding to better the breed, i am sorry but a experienced breeder knows more than a vet about breeding, vets only help out when there is a prob, and doesnt have any wear near as much to do with whelping and raising puppys as a good breeder does
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Yeah,because anyone sprouting off at others that they are natzis made it through vet school:rolleyes: You don't happen to have a white dobe do you:rolleyes:
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XXXpoopoo ... you joined today and post stupidity !! No vet would enter this way !!!
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XXXpoopoo ... you joined today and post stupidity !! No vet would enter this way !!!
True!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you guys were true dog enthusiast, you would like and love all breeds whether pure or mixed.
Im just tired of all the bashing of mixed breeds.....as if they were some sort of evil dogs.
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If you guys were true dog enthusiast, you would like and love all breeds whether pure or mixed.
Im just tired of all the bashing of mixed breeds.....as if they were some sort of evil dogs.
No one is doing that you are mixing things up, mutts are great but there are enough in rescue more do not need to be added! We do love all dogs but we are just against adding to rescue, because we love dogs we care about their welfare!! If we didnt care then we would say all byb go ahead we are with you!
i am sorry but you havent yet given us any reason to think that you are a vet and not just saying that!
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If you guys were true dog enthusiast, you would like and love all breeds whether pure or mixed.
Im just tired of all the bashing of mixed breeds.....as if they were some sort of evil dogs.
I can definately see your point here. The amount of rubbish that people go on about for mixed breeds here is preposterous. It's like people believe that all the pure breeds just appeared out of nowhere.
Honestly if people didn't have the courage and interests to cross a variety of breeds in order to get the result from the dogs that they were chasing then we would only have one breed of dogs.
No I don't breed crosses, I don't breed anything, all dogs I own are desexxed ASAP. I don't even own a cross bred dog both my dogs are Staffordshires. I do however understand breeding for a purpose, if I wanted a dog to use for a specific purpose such as pig hunting then I would never use a pure bred. There is no pure bred dog that would do as good a job as one that is bred specifically for the job, all the breeds that were bred for the job in the past have been diluted too much now to be used.
I don't think people should be randomly breeding anything in order to make money but I also don't think people should take this up as some kind of jihad, there is a hell of a lot more important things you could dedicate your time to.
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breeding isnt something to be taken lightly, people who breed just because do not need sticking up for, no one thinks pure dogs just appeared, but there are enoigh probs with byb at the mo without people breeding designer breedes, yes all breeds have to start somewhere, but we have enough pure dogs to concerate on without adding more
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i am just curious have either of you posted an intro?
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just posting to cause trouble.
No one here has ever said they hate mutts. I have a mutt and many people do and they lov ethem but that is no reason for a perosn to purposely breed them. And wake up,really,it is not as easy as breeding a lab and a poodle to make a new breed:rolleyes: seriouesly.
These people are not breeding for a purpose,but for the money. And dogs are what a devote my time and money to and I consider the rescueing I do a pretty noble cause,its not something worth dropping and agreeing to disagree when it costs dogs their lives,sorry. I'd almost like to know what is more important,people cna control themselves,animals need the help.
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If you guys were true dog enthusiast, you would like and love all breeds whether pure or mixed.
Im just tired of all the bashing of mixed breeds.....as if they were some sort of evil dogs.
HELLOOOOOOOO im bashing the breeder who purposely breeds mixed breed dogs. When you can go and adopt that same mix at the pound for $50-$100. Its disgusting these breeders inbreed and overbreed their dogs. There is no betterment of the breed going on here. I OWN A MUTT (not yelling there btw) so I obviousely love dogs no matter the breed. I feel badly for these poor dogs my neighbor is breeding but it could all be dealt with fine if she just spayed and neutered her dogs and stopped BREEDING MUTTS.
If you want a mutt go to the pound. There is nothing wrong with a pound dog mutt or not they are just as good as these "designer dogs".
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Yep a mutt from recsue is better than a inbred designer breed!
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No one is doing that you are mixing things up, mutts are great but there are enough in rescue more do not need to be added! We do love all dogs but we are just against adding to rescue, because we love dogs we care about their welfare!! If we didnt care then we would say all byb go ahead we are with you!
i am sorry but you havent yet given us any reason to think that you are a vet and not just saying that!
You're right! I haven't given you any reason to believe that i am vet, nor do i care what you choose to believe ...... it is what it is.
I search numerous animal forums on my spare time. I came across this forum and have seen nothing but bashing. I agree about BYB, but dont agree on bashing the "mutts" daily.
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You're right! I haven't given you any reason to believe that i am vet, nor do i care what you choose to believe ...... it is what it is.
I search numerous animal forums on my spare time. I came across this forum and have seen nothing but bashing. I agree about BYB, but dont agree on bashing the "mutts" daily.
As has been said no one is bashing mutts we just dont like the ones who breed them! if its that bad here then why are you here! as people have said you dont act like a vet, if you were my vet then I would change there is no room for vets that agree with breeding un tested dogs and mutts
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Honestly if people didn't have the courage and interests to cross a variety of breeds in order to get the result from the dogs that they were chasing then we would only have one breed of dogs.
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Ok I see what your getting at. BUT back then there was a need for different breeds to do different jobs.It was rare back then for them btw to be breeding dogs just for companions though it was done it was again RARE. Also back then we did not have the outbreak we have today of adandoned dogs in shelters and strays on the street. So why add to the problem? I understand some purebred breeders SOME who I still breeding dogs true to their working lines healthy and well off. But these new "Designer dogs" are nothing just a way to make a buck.
I mean lets think about how are these dogs helping to improve society? And don't even get at me with the Labradoodle being a service dog because that project was aborted and now people are just breeding them for pets. Most of these dogs are little mixbreeds. Why not just go and buy yourself a Pug or a Poodle or a Chi purebred or rescue a mix? Because people are shallow and they would rather be up on the latest "fads".
So you see breeding these dogs is pointless.
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You're right! I haven't given you any reason to believe that i am vet, nor do i care what you choose to believe ...... it is what it is.
I search numerous animal forums on my spare time. I came across this forum and have seen nothing but bashing. I agree about BYB, but dont agree on bashing the "mutts" daily.
You must be blind I OWN AND LOVE MY MUTT.
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yep i used to also have a mutt, she was my first dog ans she was wonderfull
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yep i used to also have a mutt, she was my first dog ans she was wonderfull
Most are
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You guys are mixing up everything.
I have a mutt, and I love him just as much as my purebred. What we're saying is that BREEDING mutts is wrong, not that mutts are. It's NOT the same at all! Furthermore, I'm sure we would all support breeding mutts in a perfect world where lots of them didn't already need homes. But it's not the case, just the rescue I got my mutt from (at 8 weeks) always have over 15 mutt puppies for adoption... and they're far from being the only ones. So why add more?
And please, we all know that if people hadn't bred mutts in the past we wouldn't have so many breeds now. The difference is that at the time people bred with the goal of making a breed that would have some particularities, whereas now 99% of the breeders who breed mutts do it just to make money. I'm really tired of hearing the same argument over and over, when it's totally obvious that all the doodles and other poos are only bred because they're popular and people want to make money out of them. The only attempt at making a breed I've seen is in Australia with labradoodles, and so far it hasn't been succesful. So please just get informed before you give an inaccurate argument...
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sorry guys but in my experence new members who dont post intros and go straight into these sort of posts are only here for one thing
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Congratulations Gallien Jacks you really do know how to generalise with the best of them. Have you even read my other posts? They're really controversial such terrible things as what's your favourite breed.
I posted because this is a topic that has been getting on my nerves when reading this forum. People are far too quick to just go off on bashing people breeding crosses.
As to people not trying to better the breed these days by using crosses, how do you explain short tailed boxers? This was bringing corgi blood into boxer lines. Or an even more recent example http://www.australianbulldogs.com/ this is a program to breed a traditional looking bulldog without the medical complaints of a normal english bulldog. Yes they do this by cross breeding dogs.
I am not in any way saying that people making money out of pumping out rubbish poodle crosses is right, in fact I think you'll find I said that in the previous post. What I am saying is that the behaviour of the people on this forum going on about cross breeding is just about as useful as all of the doodle breeders.
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The boxer program was for a reason,not just neely willy mix breeding:rolleyes:
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Congratulations Gallien Jacks you really do know how to generalise with the best of them. Have you even read my other posts? They're really controversial such terrible things as what's your favourite breed.
I posted because this is a topic that has been getting on my nerves when reading this forum. People are far too quick to just go off on bashing people breeding crosses.
As to people not trying to better the breed these days by using crosses, how do you explain short tailed boxers? This was bringing corgi blood into boxer lines. Or an even more recent example http://www.australianbulldogs.com/ this is a program to breed a traditional looking bulldog without the medical complaints of a normal english bulldog. Yes they do this by cross breeding dogs.
I am not in any way saying that people making money out of pumping out rubbish poodle crosses is right, in fact I think you'll find I said that in the previous post. What I am saying is that the behaviour of the people on this forum going on about cross breeding is just about as useful as all of the doodle breeders.
Your dancing around what we're really talking about here. Im not talking about Australian Bulldogs because yes that makes sense because it is for the good of the dogs health.
BUT thats not what we're talking about here we're talking about people breeding these so called "designer dogs" who do more then most come up with health problems.
Ok quick question to you just to Josh
Do you agree with breeding "Designer Dogs"? (im not saying you do or don't im just asking).
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Ok quick question to you just to Josh
Do you agree with breeding "Designer Dogs"? (im not saying you do or don't im just asking).
Seriously? Have you read anything that I have posted in this thread?
I don't think people should be randomly breeding anything in order to make money but I also don't think people should take this up as some kind of jihad, there is a hell of a lot more important things you could dedicate your time to.
I am not in any way saying that people making money out of pumping out rubbish poodle crosses is right, in fact I think you'll find I said that in the previous post. What I am saying is that the behaviour of the people on this forum going on about cross breeding is just about as useful as all of the doodle breeders.
Please, I have shown the respect to read what others have had to say rather than just spouting off on my chosen line of argument, if others could do the same that would be great.
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Seriously? Have you read anything that I have posted in this thread?
Please, I have shown the respect to read what others have had to say rather than just spouting off on my chosen line of argument, if others could do the same that would be great.
Well I actually have already read those but i was asking the question for others so they could see that simply No you didn't or yes you did. I was not rude to you but you have to me and you havent read any of my posts im sure as this is the first time ou have replied to me when I have already adressed you. I was going to try and be nice but hell you've gone and ruined that. :D
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You people on this forum are sure against mutts arnt you....yes there is alot of cross breeding going on right now but alot of it is to get these little dogs, it probably is just a trend, but it seems everyone wants these little dogs and Im sure that everyone that ends up getting one will love them to death, they wont end up in the pound. Most of the dogs in the pound are the big breeds purebreed and mutts, usually because they were cute when they were little but they got so big or because of behaviour problems, very few small dogs end up in the pound.
Mutts have there problems but so do purebreed dogs, you get what you get, just like humans. Alot of the people on this forum dont really have a real good argument on not getting a mixed breed other than there are alot of dogs in the pound, I looked in the pound and never have I found what I was looking for. I guess when my daughter decides to have a child I should tell her she shouldnt have one because there are alot of children in the world to be adopted, it is really the same thing. There are alot of people that shouldnt have dogs and that is why they end up in the pound, but mixed breeds have been around as long as I can remember, and have made excellent pets so why do you people come down on them so much.
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You people on this forum are sure against mutts arnt you....yes there is alot of cross breeding going on right now but alot of it is to get these little dogs, it probably is just a trend, but it seems everyone wants these little dogs and Im sure that everyone that ends up getting one will love them to death, they wont end up in the pound. Most of the dogs in the pound are the big breeds purebreed and mutts, usually because they were cute when they were little but they got so big or because of behaviour problems, very few small dogs end up in the pound.
Mutts have there problems but so do purebreed dogs, you get what you get, just like humans. Alot of the people on this forum dont really have a real good argument on not getting a mixed breed other than there are alot of dogs in the pound, I looked in the pound and never have I found what I was looking for. I guess when my daughter decides to have a child I should tell her she shouldnt have one because there are alot of children in the world to be adopted, it is really the same thing. There are alot of people that shouldnt have dogs and that is why they end up in the pound, but mixed breeds have been around as long as I can remember, and have made excellent pets so why do you people come down on them so much.
What world do you live in? The only reason we don't see small dogs in the pound more is because they get adopted first, and the reason there are less of them is because, technically, it's a bit harder for them to breed by accident than other breeds. That people who buy those mutts don't abandon them is the most inaccurate assumption I have seen on these forums. Have you looked at www.petfinder.com lately? Now tell us again that no small dogs end up in the pound :rolleyes: Also, if you're going to spend $600 in a dog anyway (the minimum responsible breeders usually charge), why not get a purebred dog from a responsible breeder? There is no excuse to support irresponsible breeding, and I have yet to see a responsible mutt breeder.
Also, our arguments against buying a mixbreed from a breeder are more than just because so many dogs are in the pound though, it's also because 90% of the breeders that make them don't do any health testing, and it's not right to encourage such irresponsible breeding. I've seriously never seen any doodle or poo breeder that did OFA, eye or temperament testing etc.
About the comparison with children, seriously, do people really think before they post stupid arguments? I assume you just have no clue of how harder it is to adopt an older child than it is to adopt an adult dog, because those children often have lots of emotional disorders. Or how long and expensive the process is to adopt a newborn (I know, I'm doing it). Please, don't use exemples you don't have a clue about.
And again, we have nothing against mutts, and lots of us have them. It's breeding them without any health or temparement testing and for money that bothers us.
But I guess I'm just wasting my time because people can't read it seems.
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this needs to be closed i feel sorry for the orignater, it just seems a bunch of people who wish for a fight have posted, and has gone way off topic!
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You people on this forum are sure against mutts arnt you....yes there is alot of cross breeding going on right now but alot of it is to get these little dogs, it probably is just a trend, but it seems everyone wants these little dogs and Im sure that everyone that ends up getting one will love them to death, they wont end up in the pound. Most of the dogs in the pound are the big breeds purebreed and mutts, usually because they were cute when they were little but they got so big or because of behaviour problems, very few small dogs end up in the pound.
Mutts have there problems but so do purebreed dogs, you get what you get, just like humans. Alot of the people on this forum dont really have a real good argument on not getting a mixed breed other than there are alot of dogs in the pound, I looked in the pound and never have I found what I was looking for. I guess when my daughter decides to have a child I should tell her she shouldnt have one because there are alot of children in the world to be adopted, it is really the same thing. There are alot of people that shouldnt have dogs and that is why they end up in the pound, but mixed breeds have been around as long as I can remember, and have made excellent pets so why do you people come down on them so much.
You obviousely havent read all the posts have you? I LOVE mutts I own one! But purposely breeding them is wrong.
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this needs to be closed i feel sorry for the orignater, it just seems a bunch of people who wish for a fight have posted, and has gone way off topic!
It is hard for me because I pretty much just came here to vent about my neighbors being byb and breeding these "designer dogs". I wasent on here to ask wether anyone agreed with breeding mutts or not. I just asked if you have heard of these new "designer dog" mix breeds. But like you said a couple people who just wanted to fight came and turned my topic into this big debate. I don't really want it closed because I would like to get back to my general topic but who knows if that could happen. You can't even try and be nice to these people because they will just bite your head off.
I can tell you one thing im getting sick of being told that I hate mutts :rolleyes: .
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I can tell you one thing im getting sick of being told that I hate mutts :rolleyes: .
Tips and I agree...
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Every single dog deserves a good responsible loving home for it's lifetime, no matter what it's pedigree may or may not be.
PURPOSELY creating mixed breeds and selling them for high prices as designer dogs in the pet trade is a slimey irresponsible ignorant malicious thing to do.
Period.
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I don't really want it closed because I would like to get back to my general topic but who knows if that could happen.
Actually I never noticed these designer breeds. I always just thought they were mutts. It wasn't until I joined this forum I heard about the byb breeders selling designer breeds.I still don't understand why someone would pay all that money for a mutt. I have two mutts from rescue, I wasn't looking for a certain breed when I got either one of them. I was just looking for a loving "DOG", regardless of breed.
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yes if peopel just stoped buying those so called designer breeds then they wouldnt be bred, how any breeder of these dogs can say they dont do it for money is a liar!
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Lets get the record straight first..... I don't support BYB at all, nor do I support those who breed animals without the proper knowledge of doing so.
That's the problem with most of you....always jumping the gun at those you don't know or have never met..... and for you to say im uneducated at breeding?.... I'm a vet and can probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about dogs and breeding.
Wow I will say this if youre a vet, then you are not a very good one. #1 jumping in here and calling people nazi's because of what they believe in, well let me see. You are a vet so you are in the business of caring for the welfare of your animals that are in your care but from some of your posts let me see if I can line them all up
#1 It should be poor neighboor .... she is being bashed on the internet by a bunch of strangers who don't even have a clue about her. For all we know, she is probably a really good, caring breeder.
Well now, she isnt a good caring breeder. These designer breeds are bred for one reason and one reason only, for the almight dollar. There is not one ounce of scientific proof that these so called designer breeds are bred for medical reasons, health reasons etc
#2Who cares if she is mix breeding? If she is giving them the right care, and they are going to good homes, then why does it matter?
I'm sure you have mixed genes as well..... so you must be a mutt right?
Well now I have mixed genes...Am I a mutt, hell no, but I do know that most of these animals that go to good homes as you put it end up in the shelter because the status symbol lost its appeal
#3 I think you're a NAZI .... must be those German genes in you.. MUTT!
This right here.....Well excuse me but vet or not vet (and I really dont think you are one)
#4 Lets get the record straight first..... I don't support BYB at all, nor do I support those who breed animals without the proper knowledge of doing so.
That's the problem with most of you....always jumping the gun at those you don't know or have never met..... and for you to say im uneducated at breeding?.... I'm a vet and can probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about dogs and breeding
This statement here says it all, you do support BYB if you stand on the side of the breeder who is taking well respected breeds and mixing them, for what purpose??? Well there isnt really any one except for once again $$$$$$$ A Vet you say, once again Hahahahahahahahaha.
#5 If you guys were true dog enthusiast, you would like and love all breeds whether pure or mixed.
Im just tired of all the bashing of mixed breeds.....as if they were some sort of evil dogs.
Obviously you dont know the people here on this forum very well. You only joined on the 27th which was 1 day ago. There are many people here who have mixed breeds who love their animals like they were their children and some are their children. How dare you.....you have no right to invade this site and strt accusations. The folks here are here for one reason the love of the animal and yes mixed breeding on purpose, irresponsible breeding, BYB and those who only want to make a $$$ irrate alot of people, including me. This is a very close knit family here so back off!!!!!!!!!
To sum it up, we dont bash mixed mutts, we dont bash those who breed appropriately we dont bash period, we do have opinions and they are pointed out. Young kids have no business breeding their dog muffy because the puppies would be pretty. The neighbor has no right breeding their dog to make an extra buck-ever thought about the stress it puts on the mother? Breeders who breed and know what they are doing, are equipped and setup for breeding great, they know what they are doing. DESIGNER DOGS ??? what is the reason for that, so you can invent a new looking animal. No one knows gentically what could or would happen with genes crossed. Now thats food for thought
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I'm in Southern California ..... you won't find a "designer breed" in any kennel here, but there are tons of pure breds looking for a good home.
I think everybody here agrees they dislike BYB who don't have the proper knowledge to breed dogs..... BUT - I have no issues with BYB who breed designer dogs and are knowledgeable to do so.... there is a demand for them, they are going to good homes. I have no issue with that at all.
The only issue I have is the person who started this thread stating he had a brief conversation with his neighboor and didnt know her at all.... and he already assumed she was clueless on breeding crosses. Stop jumping the gun and thinking every cross-breeder is scum.
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Its not jumping the gun. Breeding these mixes makes them scum to me and thats just how I see it. Won't apolagize to you for it. If you like the bybs,and that is what you called them by the way,thats pretty bad weather they breed mixes or purebreeds.
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I'm in Southern California ..... you won't find a "designer breed" in any kennel here, but there are tons of pure breds looking for a good home.
I think everybody here agrees they dislike BYB who don't have the proper knowledge to breed dogs..... BUT - I have no issues with BYB who breed designer dogs and are knowledgeable to do so.... there is a demand for them, they are going to good homes. I have no issue with that at all.
The only issue I have is the person who started this thread stating he had a brief conversation with his neighboor and didnt know her at all.... and he already assumed she was clueless on breeding crosses. Stop jumping the gun and thinking every cross-breeder is scum.
They are in demand until it wears off. Then the pups are put in shelters and pray to be adopted out. BYB, designer breeding is not responsible at all. There is a demand for them....there is a demand for the ones that are already in shelters but I guess because they are not deisgned breeds they dont count is that what your saying because it surely sounds that way.
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I will not post my opinion here, for I would be attacked and ridiculed for it(because certain members of this forum cannot hold their tounge. They'd rather name call and be rude rather than educate and hold a good debate.) Though I will not post my opinion of mixed breeding, designer breeds, or BYBs, I will say that either this thread needs to be closed, or punishment needs to be dealt. Calling names such as "IDIOTS" and "nazis" is NOT acceptable behavior AT ALL on a public forum. It is down right insulting and I, as a member of this forum, should not have to read this behavior, or ever experience it as long as I am here. Wit that said, I have not been bashed on this particular thread, nor do I hope to be, but certainly others already have, and it is appalling that such behavior is permitted.
JMHO & 2.5 cents
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I have no issues with BYB who breed designer dogs and are knowledgeable to do so.... there is a demand for them, they are going to good homes. I have no issue with that at all.
The only issue I have is the person who started this thread stating he had a brief conversation with his neighboor and didnt know her at all.... and he already assumed she was clueless on breeding crosses. Stop jumping the gun and thinking every cross-breeder is scum.
How do you know they are going to good homes? you obviously know nothing about breeding, a breeder of designer breeds doesnt do health or temperement testing, so they are making a dog that could cause a lot of heart ake, the fact that there is a demand for them is the problem, why do you think its ok to breed a dog that someone could get from rescue? Everytime a designer breed is born a dog in rescue is put to sleep because a home that they could of had was taken buy a greedy breeder!
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okay i am posting because i looked and looked for a small breed mutts from a pound or rescuse for 6 months
and I live in Toronto Canada
now this may sound mean but i wanted a puppy because i have kids and i didn't want to get a dog all ready set in its ways
so like i was saying i searched and all i found were sick dogs older dogs and yes i looked on petfinder plus a whole lot of petrescue site with no luck
So i bought a mutt now the reason i did this is because i didn't have 500+ for a pure breed dog anyway i just felt to share my story thats is just the way it is. btw i found mostly pitbull in rescues or sick dog larger breeds but this was only in toronto trust me i looked everywhere if you want a puppy things are a lot harder
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Personally, I feel this thread has come to the end of the spool ..............going nowhere.
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there is nothing wrong with buying a x breed puppy, but what is wrong is people breeding designer breeds and selling them for a stupid amount of money, a lot of mutts are here because of accidental amtings and the owners will sell them cheply to get rid of them.
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Ha I have just had a idea, I will breed my jack to my boxer and call them Jaxer's then i can ask £2000 for a pup and not £150 what do you think lmao
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Gallien & Joce:
What level of education do you have? Do you not read the post before blurting out things that have already been discussed and answered.
Please do not call people names or attack members in any way.
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I am not sure if I am allowed to post this, so if there are any rules against it, I apologize and will be willing to remove the link myself. :)
xxxpoo, please read this link.
http://www.globalpaw.com/newpostinthread11101.html
It does not addrss the issue of mixed breeding, but more of just general breeding practices--what is responsible, what is not. This was an excellent thread and was, in exception of a few individuals, kept very well under control and civil. I belive alot of people had excellent points and that the link I provided would be very educational to some.
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Gallien & Joce:
What level of education do you have? Do you not read the post before blurting out things that have already been discussed and answered. Moron!
xxxpoo, you are NOT making this any easier and are fueling the fire. I have tried to defend you for people were attacking you so much, but this is out of line and not appropriate! If you continue with this name calling behavior,.. well, you will lose any respect from me, and most of the members here. (I am a very understanding, empathic person... and I do not feel that the attacks on you were necessarily needed or appropriate, but I also believe that one should not "hit back" so to speak--even if they did attack first. Name calling will solve nothing. :) ).
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Gallien & Joce:
What level of education do you have? Do you not read the post before blurting out things that have already been discussed and answered. Moron!
I think you need to leave!
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Sorry hun I am in my fourth year of college:) Yep,I got me an education.
My parents bred Labs when I was little and I have always grown up with dogs and being involved with rescue (and at least watching friends show:p ).
Just because you are wrong there is no reason to call people names. Thats very ten year old of you:)
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I agree ..... how about we agree to disagree.
THREAD CLOSED!
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I agree ..... how about we agree to disagree.
THREAD CLOSED!
you can not close the thread the mod has to
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I'm new to this forum and have gotten very good help and advice with my new pup. I guess she is a "designer breed" or mixed - Pekingese and Poodle...
After reading this forum, I kind of feel like I don't belong here.... almost like I'm discriminated on if you guys know I have a mixed breed.
Just my .02
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I'm new to this forum and have gotten very good help and advice with my new pup. I guess she is a "designer breed" or mixed - Pekingese and Poodle...
After reading this forum, I kind of feel like I don't belong here.... almost like I'm discriminated on if you guys know I have a mixed breed.
Just my .02
no one is having a go at you, its just the people who breed tham we are not happy with, can I ask what made you choose your dog?
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Great link. Great thread.
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Please don't call people names or you will be suspended fast. Attack the issue not the person.
Chazhound
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Ok back to topic, pixiesticksandtricks (sorry dont know your name) have you ever spoken to this woman? It would be interesting to know why she is breeding them?
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BUT - I have no issues with BYB who breed designer dogs and are knowledgeable to do so.... there is a demand for them, they are going to good homes.
You have no clue what you are talking about. BYBs sell dogs to anyone, without any research to make sure that the dogs are indeed going to good homes. Which is one of the reasons we have no respect towards BYBs. Now, I'm fine with people who breed their dogs in a responsible ways (which are then not BYBs), the problem is I have never seen a responsible breeder breeding those designer breeds. All the ones I've seen do no health or temperament testing, ship their dogs, don't select the buyers, and have no spay/neuter contracts.
okay i am posting because i looked and looked for a small breed mutts from a pound or rescuse for 6 months
and I live in Toronto Canada
now this may sound mean but i wanted a puppy because i have kids and i didn't want to get a dog all ready set in its ways
so like i was saying i searched and all i found were sick dogs older dogs and yes i looked on petfinder plus a whole lot of petrescue site with no luck
So i bought a mutt now the reason i did this is because i didn't have 500+ for a pure breed dog anyway i just felt to share my story thats is just the way it is. btw i found mostly pitbull in rescues or sick dog larger breeds but this was only in toronto trust me i looked everywhere if you want a puppy things are a lot harder
I agree that it's hard to find small dogs from rescues, depending on where you live. The puppy rescue I got my mutt from mostly has medium and large breeds also. But honestly any breeder charging over $300 for a mutt is just ripping off everyone, and as much as I would not mind personally buying a mutt from someone whose bitch had an accident, I would never buy one from someone who breeds the dogs on purpose. But I understand the problem for people who really want a small dog and don't want to spend too much though. That is a good point.
I'm new to this forum and have gotten very good help and advice with my new pup. I guess she is a "designer breed" or mixed - Pekingese and Poodle...
After reading this forum, I kind of feel like I don't belong here.... almost like I'm discriminated on if you guys know I have a mixed breed.
Just my .02
Honestly, lots of us have mutts, and lots of us have done the mistake of getting one dog from a petstore or BYB (I'm one of them). It's really not a big deal, and we all love our dogs very much. All we can hope is inform people that by doing so they support irresponsible breeding and unethical people who only care about making money. And making people understand that paying the price of a purebred for a mutt is an abheration.
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Actually I never noticed these designer breeds. I always just thought they were mutts. It wasn't until I joined this forum I heard about the byb breeders selling designer breeds.I still don't understand why someone would pay all that money for a mutt. I have two mutts from rescue, I wasn't looking for a certain breed when I got either one of them. I was just looking for a loving "DOG", regardless of breed.
Exactly thats the way I feel.
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I'm in Southern California ..... you won't find a "designer breed" in any kennel here, but there are tons of pure breds looking for a good home.
I think everybody here agrees they dislike BYB who don't have the proper knowledge to breed dogs..... BUT - I have no issues with BYB who breed designer dogs and are knowledgeable to do so.... there is a demand for them, they are going to good homes. I have no issue with that at all.
The only issue I have is the person who started this thread stating he had a brief conversation with his neighboor and didnt know her at all.... and he already assumed she was clueless on breeding crosses. Stop jumping the gun and thinking every cross-breeder is scum.
I am a GIRL first off. And second off my problem with it is these purposely bred dogs are taking the place of homeless and abandoned dogs that truly need a place to be safe and loved. And she is clueless as she said this is a new breeding PROJECT for herself and her husband.
In the same breath btw you said you don't agree with bybs but the next sentence said you did agree with bybs who breed crosses? What the hell is that logic?
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Gallien & Joce:
What level of education do you have? Do you not read the post before blurting out things that have already been discussed and answered. Moron!
No one has called you names so why don't you stop calling others names on here. What level of education does that show?
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Ok back to topic, pixiesticksandtricks (sorry dont know your name) have you ever spoken to this woman? It would be interesting to know why she is breeding them?
Yes I have spoken to her a few times im polite to her jsut because I don't want problems. She has just started breeding these mixes she calls it her project and in so many words is in it for the money. I don't see her out alot anymore I pretty much just see the husband come and go and the dogs running around. I see here out an about every once in a great while.
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Can we please get back to my topic like Gallien tried to and stop fighting. Im sick of it and personally just sick of people at the moment. I don't want this closed because I did not start it for a debate but certain people turned it into one. Yes I have fought back because of things said needed to be dealt with. I will talk to Chaz and see what to do.
This makes me feel bad that I can be more mature then some "adults" on here. I do like most of you btw i am just fed up.
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well that is sad, calling them her project just shows how much she cares, can you slip a breeding book through her door
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hey we posted at the same time lol
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[QUOTE=PixieSticksandTricks]I am a GIRL first off. And second off my problem with it is these purposely bred dogs are taking the place of homeless and abandoned dogs that truly need a place to be safe and loved.
Who do you think is shelling out these several hundred of dollars for these dogs, bums? Of course they are going to homes of people who love them.
Do you buy things you hate?
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well that is sad, calling them her project just shows how much she cares, can you slip a breeding book through her door
lol thats a good idea ;) I should
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BTW I messaged Chaz we'll see what happens
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yep good idea, I hope things work out well
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yep good idea, I hope things work out well
me too
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Who do you think is shelling out these several hundred of dollars for these dogs, bums? Of course they are going to homes of people who love them.
Do you buy things you hate?
You really have no clue do you? Why do you think so many dogs end up in rescue? Because people bought them for several hundred of dollars then abandonned them once they grew up, peed everywhere, destroyed the house and stopped being cute.
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Ok so what happens when these designer breeds are no longer in? they end up in rescue that is what, its all about people with more money than sence, just because you can afford a dog that costs thousands doesnt mean you want to or know how to care for it properly
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Many designer mutts do go to good homes and that's all well and great for those particular dogs. HOWEVER, for each $700 designer dog that has a great home, there were probably 100 dogs just like it languishing in a shelter the same day it was purchased who were put to sleep later that day for lack of a new home. Many of those dogs were part of similar litters and abandoned when the newness wore off and reality set in.
For this thread to remain open, there will be NO further name-calling, real or implied.
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Many designer mutts do go to good homes and that's all well and great for those particular dogs. HOWEVER, for each $700 designer dog that has a great home, there were probably 100 dogs just like it languishing in a shelter the same day it was purchased who were put to sleep later that day for lack of a new home. Many of those dogs were part of similar litters and abandoned when the newness wore off and reality set in.
For this thread to remain open, there will be NO further name-calling, real or implied.
Yes well said, name calling is just childish
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Hon.Perhaps write her a letter just telling some facts to this Breeder and I use the term loosely.It sucks but unless you start trying to disuade her customers from buying her pups there is not much you can do.It is sad I know but some people dont think before they decide to breed.
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Well I love my designer breed if that is what my little maltipoo is called. I came to this forum to find out information about puppies as she is only 4 months old and it sure hasnt made me feel very good. I didnt think anything was wrong with buying a cross breed until I came on here, they have been around for years, the reason for them being expensive is just because there is a demand for them, purebreeds are twice as expensive, nothing has really changed. Same reason my home has doubled in price in the last couple years - things get expensive, supply and demand.
I think there are alot of people on here that think they are high and mighty and think they are better than others, I thought this forum was to discuss all dogs or is it just purebreeds, I dont know I came across it accidently and wish I hadnt. My little dog is very much like a maltese and have been on maltese forums, they knew she wasnt a purebreed, but they never acted like you people do on here, answered any questions I had on her and never once came down on me for having her.
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Well said Madaline.
They will question everything about you.... just look at the introduction thread, someobody introduced himself politely and he got hammered.... :confused:
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Well I love my designer breed if that is what my little maltipoo is called. I came to this forum to find out information about puppies as she is only 4 months old and it sure hasnt made me feel very good. I didnt think anything was wrong with buying a cross breed until I came on here, they have been around for years, the reason for them being expensive is just because there is a demand for them, purebreeds are twice as expensive, nothing has really changed. Same reason my home has doubled in price in the last couple years - things get expensive, supply and demand.
I think there are alot of people on here that think they are high and mighty and think they are better than others, I thought this forum was to discuss all dogs or is it just purebreeds, I dont know I came across it accidently and wish I hadnt. My little dog is very much like a maltese and have been on maltese forums, they knew she wasnt a purebreed, but they never acted like you people do on here, answered any questions I had on her and never once came down on me for having her.
Nobody should be coming down on you for having her and this forum is definitely not just for purebreds as most of us have mutts. You will meet a lot of people here who are passionate about the over-breeding of dogs because they have spent so much time at shelters dealing with the ugly side of the story. If you haven't dealt with that it's hard to understand. Supply and demand plays a huge roll and by buying a crossbreed/designer dog/mutt you (not You - people in general) create a supply for something that is already overpopulated.
You love your dog. Nobody doubts that. You are glad you have her. Good! You should be! I'm sure she's wonderful and perfect for you. But there are thousands and thousands of dogs killed everyday because of irresponsible breeders and many of us want to stop that (slow it down) through education.
This is not an attack on you at all. I know your situation and that you have a good heart. I'm just trying to explain where some people are coming from.
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the reason for them being expensive is just because there is a demand for them, purebreeds are twice as expensive, nothing has really changed. Same reason my home has doubled in price in the last couple years - things get expensive, supply and demand.
I thought we were talking about animals? You seem to think that they are just some kinds of products. Although I suppose it's what the people who breed them consider them as well. And no, purebreeds are unfortunately not twice as expensive, because those 'designer breeds' are often sold for as much as them. But it's really not much of a debate between mutts and purebreeds when it comes to backyard breeders, they are all equally poorly bred, and all equally overpriced, and both just add to the overpopulation of dogs just because it's an easy way of making a quick buck.
But Madaline, please, if you really think we're all high and mighty and that we hate mutts, just leave. Because obviously you don't know us and you don't even care to try to.
Saje, thanks for taking the time to explain, but honestly I've done it twice and they just don't get it...
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Well I love my designer breed if that is what my little maltipoo is called. I came to this forum to find out information about puppies as she is only 4 months old and it sure hasnt made me feel very good. I didnt think anything was wrong with buying a cross breed until I came on here, they have been around for years, the reason for them being expensive is just because there is a demand for them, purebreeds are twice as expensive, nothing has really changed. Same reason my home has doubled in price in the last couple years - things get expensive, supply and demand.
I think there are alot of people on here that think they are high and mighty and think they are better than others, I thought this forum was to discuss all dogs or is it just purebreeds, I dont know I came across it accidently and wish I hadnt. My little dog is very much like a maltese and have been on maltese forums, they knew she wasnt a purebreed, but they never acted like you people do on here, answered any questions I had on her and never once came down on me for having her.
I don't care if you own one thats fine with me because you are not breeding and you have given your dog a good home. Its all good with me :) .
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Well said Madaline.
They will question everything about you.... just look at the introduction thread, someobody introduced himself politely and he got hammered.... :confused:
Nobody really cares about what you have to say on this thread at this point. You have proven yourself incapable of having a civil conversation about this.
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Truth hurts, doesn't it?
Pixie: If you care so much about your pets, why do allow them to breath your second hand smoke... have you read the scientific data on that with animals? You should at least go outside and smoke.
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I can tell... xxxpoopants is NOT a vet, if you were you would not be saying the things like you do. By the way, I am a rocket scientist, a brain surgeon and in my spare time, I am a stipper. Give me a break, you are not fooling anyone!
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If I am wrong, than I am sorry.. but if you want, let's take it to pm, and talk about vet. med. Are you a dog and cat vet, or do you have exotic experience? I would love to talk shop. PM me anytime.... Take care, Amy
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Do a search under Canine Lung Cancer... I think it was a University in Colorado or somewhere did a research on this... Pets that are exposed to second hand smoke have a slightly elevated risk of developing malignant lymphoma, or cancer of the lymph nodes. Since the lymph nodes filter the blood, inhaled or ingested carcinogens can build up in these structures.
Just assisting in any way I can to keep our pets safe. :)
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Now, I know you are NOT a vet... first off, no vet will come to a site to "ask" advice about des. breeds".
Second, I pm'd you, with still no response from you, and 3rd, I won't search your crap about the above, because a REAL VET. would have stated his/her case, not posted some web site for us to look up. Give it up...
But please stay if you want to contribute, just don't lie about your quals., we have young people here that don't need un-educated advice.
Again, I took it to pm's, and you have yet to respond. People here are not stupid...
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Now, I know you are NOT a vet... first off, no vet will come to a site to "ask" advice about des. breeds".
Second, I pm'd you, with still no response from you, and 3rd, I won't search your crap about the above, because a REAL VET. would have stated his/her case, not posted some web site for us to look up. Give it up...
But please stay if you want to contribute, just don't lie about your quals., we have young people here that don't need un-educated advice.
Again, I took it to pm's, and you have yet to respond. People here are not stupid...
I don't EVER recall asking for any advice about anything.
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You stated you were a vet, common, what vet would post triple x POO. Where did you go to school, and where is the pm I sent you. Heck if your a REAL vet, you could discredit me at any time.
Also, I must apologize, I read the thread wrong, and thought it was you asking for the advice...
but still, we need a good vet here, so tell us about your practice.
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Also, since you are so gracious to post here, we would love a vet.... Can I ask you a few questions regarding animal care? We would all benefit having a true vet. here on our site. I bet you can help a lot of us out, I have several questions myself, and I am sure there are many others. Should I pm them or post them here.:rolleyes:
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PM sent back to you.
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Sent one back, waiting for reply...
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Hey, I can't tell online if you are who you say you are.... if you are then I will so apologize. I just have worked with vets all over the country, reg. vets, exotic vets, zoo vets, specialized vets, avain vets etc. Sorry if your quals. seem a bit suspicious, but I will give the benefit of the doubt.
You gave me a pm, but it was way to general...
I don't care if you are a REAL vet or a pretend one, I just don't want you giving out medical advice to some of our young members here and in turn harm more than help. I know vets, and you are not the "type" I often come across.
Chaze does not like to share personal information here (ohh, so how I know) haha. But, we would love a real vet here. If you are the real deal, how about a q&A that you respond really quick. Not 10 minutes to respond, because we don't want you looking at a site and give an answer. No, you have nothing to prove to me, but your actions above were bad. Believe me, I have had to prove myself several times after my own bad actions, and I do know animals. But I still felt I needed to make ammends for some of my own words, so don't think you are singled out. If you don't believe me, read some of my past posts...
So, if your on, I have few questions..... Take us away and sparkle.
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I don't think any Vet would give advice online unless it's a general issue. I would ALWAYS recommend you see your vet for anything other.
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Of course a lot of vets would give straight answers regarding a straight med question. I am not talking about a necropsy on line, just some general discussion about some animal topics. Thank you for pming me, you said you have an exotic interest, that's great. I have some exotic and domestic questions for you if you can answer. Yes, they are all general.... and if you are knowledgeable, they can be answered quick. Again, we would love a vet here. I may have a few of my friends, that are vets, post here (as long as Chaz allows it, as a q & a, both deal with dogs and cats, but both are also exotic vets, one for the Atlana Zoo, and he also has his own practice, another, does a lot of everything too. They both have been successful in their practices and deal with rats to baboons. I am going to contact them soon and see if we can get a q&a going on, they are both sooooooo great and would love to participate. Is that o.k. Chaz? Maybe set a date and have a good chat?
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You stated in your pm that you like exotics...
K, I have a tarantula crawling on my hand, say it's a Rose Hair, he/she falls and the abdomnan busts to a little degree, or a leg breaks and opens... what is your quick fix?
Do you know how to tell a male from female?
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Yep, she left the building, after she pm'd me over 30 minutes ago, saying she was going to bed. She still stayed on. I say let her research, and then I have a few more quetions.
Any real vet I know would have "whooped" me and then asked questions later. I think I have proven my point. I think this person took a few classes and didn't make it in the vet world.
If so, you should feel bad, because there are a lot of young folks here, and they don't need bad or harmful advice.
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I think we can say this thread went a bit out of topic :D
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Truth hurts, doesn't it?
Pixie: If you care so much about your pets, why do allow them to breath your second hand smoke... have you read the scientific data on that with animals? You should at least go outside and smoke.
Im not the smoker thats my mom :rolleyes: maybe you shouldn't assume things! I can't smoke even if I wanted to I have horrible asthma so yeah couldn't work for me.
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Im leaving and won't be back until tomarow evening
So please get back to the original topic and play nice.
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xxxpoo, some of us most certainly cannot control that our dogs are exposed to smoking. Both of my parents smoke. My mom doesn't have a job, but sits home all day filling the house with smoke. All of us four kids AND the dogs are exposed to it, but she does not care. Should we be blamed for our parents mistakes?
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You stated in your pm that you like exotics...
K, I have a tarantula crawling on my hand, say it's a Rose Hair, he/she falls and the abdomnan busts to a little degree, or a leg breaks and opens... what is your quick fix?
Do you know how to tell a male from female?
I don't care to play dumb games about your chilean. If you want to question me, start a new thread... otherwise I suggest we get back to the topic.
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Ha back to topic you are a fine one to talk, you need to just leave it and get a life
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Troll!
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The constant bashing amazes me... you ask me to be polite and to stop "name calling" .... though you guys are still doing it. I haven't said one negative thing all day.... WOW!
Thanks.
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Why mix more breeds when there are already TONS of unwanted mixed breed dogs waiting in the shelters for new homes?
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you canot expect people to suddenly like you when you came here and cause nothing but troubble
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I don't expect them to like me all of a sudden... but if WE are all going to act like adults, lets act like adults.... If you want to call me a troll, fag, dummy, or anything else you can think of.... Just PM me.... we dont need post derogotory comments on somebody elses thread.
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Ok when were you called anything but a troll? we dont all like name calling as you seem to, you are the one that took this off topic in the first place
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I can see both sides of the arguement though I have to lean to one side of the thread after reading it.
Points made on each others side have been valid then led to frivelous crap and name calling
BUT
I think it comes down to 3 things
1. Yes people love mutts, and keep them in good health, and there is no reason to be against mutts and etc, thats fine, BUT thats no reason to support the breeding of mutts; which is just adding to the problem of overpopulation and health problems etc (I have yet to see a mix that was bred to further the collective good rather than just be a fancy looking companion)
2. Vets have a knowledge of the animal itself, similar to how a doctor would to a human, just because someone may be a vet does not mean they now know how to Train/Behaviour theropy and consult, Breed better than a breeder, be able to do thing better than everyone else just because you may have "D.V.M" beside their name, a truly good vet would admit that
3. The reason people here do not support "Designer breeds" and "Mutts" is because there is already a booming and overflowing population (not to mention health problems which as a vet someone should know) and there is no need to breed more and add to the problem, The reason you dont breed one dog with another of a different breed is because unless there is a legitamit reason there is no need. Regardless of care standard, or want, it is the same reason you wouldnt breed "Lightning" the prize winning race horse with "Smelly" the circus pony
Honestly in my view, unless the dog was looked over and tested, found to have certain attributes, looked over and behaviourally tested, health tested, and then bred for a specific purpose and actually used for that purpose, it shouldnt be bred at all
Breeding should only be to benefit and further the breed itself, or to be of benefit of a certain purpose such as Assistance or other beneficial activities, not just because someone wants money or somebody wants a dog that looks cute.
And to tell you the truth this thread is going nowhere, I am not saying I dont support mutts, I am just saying why breed and add to a problem that is already overwhelming. In fact I love mutts, but go give a rescue dog another chance, dont breed designers and add to the problem.
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very well said, I have tried to move this thread on but sadly i think its time for it to close
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Well said ... let's move on.
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Lets get the record straight first..... I don't support BYB at all, nor do I support those who breed animals without the proper knowledge of doing so.
That's the problem with most of you....always jumping the gun at those you don't know or have never met..... and for you to say im uneducated at breeding?.... I'm a vet and can probably tell you more than you ever wanted to know about dogs and breeding.
what vet school did you go to? when did you graduate?
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Most vets I have experience with are not that familiar with breeding, particularly breeding ETHICS.
What sort of practice do you have?
What is your opinion of Hill's?
Can you tell me what Imrab is? What about Progard?
How do you feel about MLVs? Or do you prefer killed and why?
What kind of extender do you use on your fresh chilled?
Do you do TC AIs or surgical or both?
How many days past the LH surge do you like to breed?
Do you advise people to keep a temperature chart?
Do you recommend Ca supplementation when small bitches are in whelp?
Just a few questions that a VET or an experienced breeder should be able to answer right off the top of their head.....
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Hey Rottie, you hit the nail on the head with those questions, I have vet-tech training, and all of the vets I have worked with, including my own, don't know a whole lot about breeding a good dog. I would bet that very few vets know anything about the above questions.
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yes I agree vets tend to not know a lot about breeding, which i think is wrong, because i have herd of a lot of peopel with pregnant dogs going to them for advice and they have been told a load of rubbish lol, my vet tried to tell me when i went for a pregnancy health check that if Jessika still had a clear discharge in a week then i should get her on meds, i told her that its a normal sign of a pregnant bitch as long a sit doesnt smell or change colour to anything other than white lol
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With out very first litter of Bernese our breeder lived 7 states away, so we were relying on our vet to help, it was terrible, the bitch Nika, had a normal delivery, but afterwords had what seemed like alot of bloody discharge, we brought her to the vet to have bloodwork done, he saw the amount of discharge and said she was fine. Nika seemed ok, but very slugish, and not eating properly, however our vet had told us this was normal as it was her first litter. The next day a friend of our who happens to be an animal control officer, and who has whelped many litters, saw the amount of blood coming out of poor Nika she told us to take her to the Emergency vets office right away, which we did, TWO blood transfusions later our sweet girl was fine, she had a tear in the uterine wall. Our ex-vet never even knew, or thought to ask/ultrasound for it.
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yes i think vets should do a cause on breeding, i took Jess for a few health checks during her pregnancy and after, and at thge time I thsught why am i here i seem to be telling the vet more than she is telling me lol, so I was paying to give info lol, but it made me feel better just knowing that i had taken her