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I dont know if any other dogs do this but according to 'the internet' boxers get them randomly. Ive seen my dog have three in the past month (we are going to the vet tonight for blood tests) its just her face that shakes. its like shes freezing cold and her face is twitching. they last about 3 minutes and its only when she wakes up. her eyes stay in place and she lies down when we tell her to no problem. they dont seem to hurt her and shes fully aware when it happens but im worried about her. has anyone else every seen there dog (boxer or others) do this?
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Hubbies old Boxer did it often.Their GSD cross collie does too.Boxers tend to be high on the list for having them.
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is the vet going to make me spend lots of money for nothing..i will gladly pay if i know it will make her better..but if it comes with the boxer territory then...well vets tend to like money I find.
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I am sure there is some kind of medication that would help.The boxer is dead now and the gsdxcollie is 13 never been on any meds,not kept up to date on shots either.They dont listen.How often do they happen everyday.
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Seizures are easily treated these days
try not too worry too much, i know of a dog who has had really bad epilpsy for the past 5 years and he is absolutely fine
Im sure she will be ok,
Boxers seizures are not common in the UK, so maybe it is more Common in the European Boxers but english ones are not known for having them.
i honestly have no idea but i know for a fact it isnt common here
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I've had boxers for about 30 years now. I had one that had seizures from epilepsy in old age; however, I've had them also have episodes that look like small seizures and it's turned out to be a side effect of hypothyroidism. Ask your vet to run an extended thyroid panel, it's a blood test that shouldn't cost very much. If your dog is hypothyroid, thyroid meds are VERY cheap ... like under $10 per month ... and a lot less damaging to the liver than Pheno-Barbitol, the drug of choice for seizures/epilepsy. Thyroid pills are teeny and very easy to give. Pheno-Barbitol are about a little bigger than your average aspirin and can be harder to give. It's definitely worth looking into on either account though. The tests should not be expensive and your boxer can and will live a pretty normal existence if medication is necessary. Good Luck! :)
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Well we went to the vets and he decided not to do a blood test. I was a little ticked off because he put her on meds right away. He didnt act like it was a big deal seeing as shes only had 1 a week for the past month. He thinks its her coming out of her puppy stage. He gave us little pink pills ummm...phenobarbital or something im on my way to look them up. she has to take one in the morning and one at night and he said if she acts dopey to cut them in half. does he have a right to just give her meds without a blood test? she goes back in a month to see if shes okay and for blood tests then. hes been telling us hes going to run tests for a while now.
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:eek: im sorry but i would deffinately get a different vets oppinion before giving her any drugs
she should be thoroughly checked AND have blood tests to confirm her condition, i cant belive he did that!
He should already know the correct dose of the medication, so if he said 'if she acts dopey to cut them in half'' then I for one would deffinately be going for another vets oppinion,
i hope you manage to get it sorted, :)
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If I'm not mistaken, a Seizuring dog needs medication just like a seizuring person.
A friend of mine has a boxer and it has never had a problem with seizures, so its definately NOT natural for one to do that.
I'd get it to the vet, be clear to the vet about what you are looking for. If the procedure or medication won't work tell them straight out that you want an honest answer. ask them what THEY would do for their dog if it was in that situation.
Edited to say;
I just read your last post and omg.. get to a new vet! Any responsible vet would have been 100% sure about a condition, before administering medication. Medication alters chemicals, and such into their system to balance out things. if the medication is wrong, it could unstabilize your dogs system..
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Is it like the head bobbles? Just out of curiousity does your vet know her history well or did he ask you questions and detail description, had he heard of it before? Like what flea medication do you use, are there any new dogs she's been exposed to, any new changes in household or yard items, increase in drinking, etc. I can't believe he refused to do as you requested and just put her on seizure pills. If he's going to continue to do tests what you requested should be one of them, just to make you happy. I hope she has never has a full seizure and with the medication these "bobbles" are controlled. Sometimes seizures are less of a problem than the medications to control them, at that level of seizure activity. You might want to discuss the need for the medications with your vet again in a month.
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i think im going to take Twilights advice and get a new vet. hes very french..no offense to any french people on here im half french myself...but in quebec its like even at the doctors. they are right. they know everything. without tests. without proof. my bfs moms friend went to get some tests done and they punctered his intestion. so u can see why im a little worried right now. I asked him twice if he was SURE she only needed a blood test in a month and i know what is now going to happen. he is going to say everything is fine and charge us a fourtune every month for pills and checkups. i am already looking into other vets. he asked us what we feed her and she started her fun female adventures yesterday morning and he says she is growing up and its a part of something blah blah blah he rambled on and i didnt really understand but the way he put it its normal to happen once in a while. i know a little girl with epilepsy and its not a fun thing to go through having to hold her hand while seizures hit her :( i dont want my puppy to have to be on meds forever though. if i makes her better yes but im just pissed he wouldnt do tests. sorry im rambling lol. should i go to another vet this week and ask his opinion and see if he will get a blood test done on her?
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Deffinately get another oppinion, even if you just phone another vet and ask there advice
tell them everything the other vet did and they will probably say weather that is normal procedures, but i doubt it is, i think any good reliable vet will do all tests possible to make sure they know the exact condition and the exact medication the dog will need
I wouldnt go by a vet just 'guessing' her condition and handing her tablets without even taking blood tests to prove it!
Let us know how you get on, but that vet sounds like a complete idiot.
Good luck, hope shes felling better soon
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Yes keep us posted when you find out.
Also wanted to add in case some do not know,
When you first take your boxer to a vet (or to a new vet), for any kind of treatment have them write in red on the outside of the patient record "NO ACE". Be firm! If they refuse to do this then I would immediately remove my dog and find another vet. Acepromazine, is a tranquilizer that is often used as a preanesthetic agent. In the Boxer, it tends to cause a problem called first degree heart block, a potentially serious arrhythmia of the heart. It also causes a profound hypotension (severe lowering of the blood pressure) in many Boxers that are given the drug. This drug is the most commonly prescribed tranquilizer in veterinary medicine. It is also used orally and is prescribed for owners who want to tranquilize their dogs for air travel.
Sorry if i posted useless ramble that everyone already knew :D
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There are still people who dont know about ACP boxer*mom, i posted about it on here a while ago because my friend had been given it for her yorkie, once i realised what it was, i realised that not every boxer ewner will know about it
not sure were the thread is now probably lost somewere lol
Found it - http://www.chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6887
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LOL! Must have came from the same site, http://www.flbr.org/AceWarning.htm I wasn't a member in June so I didn't know you had put it up. Good to keep spreading the word :)
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thanks for an extra info! the only thing is im from quebec so what is that in french? I would never let them give my dog tranquilizers to begin with and I dont trust airplanes enough to put my dog on one :D my bf is going to be upset when i tell him we are going to another vet. he loves the dog but he doesnt think this is a very serious thing. I kind of agree with him but id like to know what is going on and if a blood test will do that. I mean if its something as simple as shes not eating right or something small...well i dont want her on meds that could hurt her even more!
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Besides not doing a blood test, I am shocked that he put your dog on phenobarbital for a "seizure" as mild as a facial twitch! I always thought that they pulled out those "big guns" for more severe seizures. We had a Lhasa Apso that had mild seizures (but more serious than your boxers) every couple of months and he was never on any meds. He lived to be 15. I'm not a Vet but I don't think your dog needs to be on that drug. Definately go see another Vet a.s.a.p.
Jessie
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you know what... ive seen two dogs taken from a regular dogs diet put on raw from raw advantage and their seizures were cut down to one maybe two every other month.. and it is because there are no chemicals going in just what they are supposed to eat.. and nothing more or less... and phenobarbital is for some dog with severe seizures as devin said... not your dog... get a second opinion because that can cause more bad than good if it isnt needed sorry hun
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you don't even have to switch to a raw diet necessarily. even just eliminating certain substances from the food can change things dramatically. many dogs who suffer from seizures improve drastically when poultry (chicken, duck, turkey) and grains are eliminated.
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Boxers should not Be fed A raw Diet
they are prone to stomach problems and feeding a raw diet can up the chances of stomach problems in boxers
There are lots of perfectly good foods out there, i dont know if they will help with the seizures, but if a change of food would help then i think its a good idea,
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what i am saying is i know a schnauzer and boxer that were on raw and it helped take away their seizures.. they both as i said had a couple approximately ever other months.
However ive also know of some that have completely stopped having seizurse because their diet was changed... no i am not saying that is the only thing to look at what i am saying is that is a possiblity to look at... because the takes out all chemicals that can cause brain seizures how ever a face twitch shouldnt be on meds like it is.
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we are going to change roxys food to start with and we got her a kitty :D i dont know if it was the best idea but she plays with her kitty (nicely for a change) and it motivates her to eat because she thinks the cat will get to it. anyone have any suggests on good boxer food? we are looking into getting another place as well I hate to see roxy inside so much when shes used to a backyard at her dispsol 24/7. as for the vet. well the more i read the more ticked off i get! We are going to see another one for a blood test just to make sure, but from this site and others, that drug is given to dogs with BAD seizures. its scary but im sure its something small like shes not getting enough rest or stress or her food isnt high enough in protien. still a blood test will do me some good lol if i know exactly what it is. thanks to all of you for going through this with me, she means the world to me!!
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Boxers should not Be fed A raw Diet
they are prone to stomach problems and feeding a raw diet can up the chances of stomach problems in boxers
There are lots of perfectly good foods out there, i dont know if they will help with the seizures, but if a change of food would help then i think its a good idea,
that sweeping statement is simply not true. there are plenty of boxer breeders out there who feed their dogs raw and also raise litters on raw.
there is no such thing as "breed X should not be fed Y" - it all comes down to the needs of the individual dog. granted, raw is not the best solution for every dog out there, but feeding fresh foods that are processed as little as possible is always preferable to feeding highly processed commercial foods. ultimately it just boils down to how much time people are willing/able to dedicate to feeding their dogs.
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What do you feed her now?
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something from a place called Blue Seal. its number 28. its what everyone I know with a boxer feeds them and the vet said it was a good choice...but then again he tried to give her meds. oh she had another small one today..the smallest one so far..just about 30 seconds of shaking and sad eyes. she came out of it when the kitty came to investigate though. concidence maybe. we used to feed her steak...not raw lol but not from the store, my friend hunts his own deer and moose and when hed make alot hed give thet dogs there own small portion. I think im seriosuly just going to start feeding her minute steak and potatoes or something!!! she hasnt eaten yet today..im trying to figure out a pattern between her seizures and her eating habits. shes also in heat so maybe thats why she doesnt have an appetite?!
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blue seal makes poor quality foods, lots of byproducts and generic ingredients.
it would be great if you could try a home prepared diet and i'd be willing to help out on that if you need assistance, but even just switching to a better quality food that does not contain chemical residues and other poor quality ingredients would probably make quite a difference already.
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what is a good brand of food for boxers?? or any dogs for that matter?
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Ike eats Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers Soul
other good foods
Innova
Eagle Pack
Wellness
Look in the food forum there's lots of info. there!
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click on the blue image of my signature to learn more about dog food and how to identify better quality products. :)
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thanks!!!