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I have crossed my Patterdale Terrier with my Parson Jack Russell Terrier. It's not a huge cross like a chihuahua and a GSD or something because Patterdales and PJRT's look very alike exept from their coat colours. Some people say I should sell them for how much I bought their mum and dad for, as they have extremley good temperements and georgeous markings, yet others say that I should just give them away! I don't find this very fair though, as me and my dogs have had to go through so much trouble- caring for the pregnant bitch etc., and the money would go towards the food and toys and well-being of my two dogs! What should I do?
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I was thinking about and I thought maybe I could sell them for around £150..... I bought the mother and father for £180 each! But as the puppies are crossbreeds I suppose it's only fair to sell them for less. I also thought of what to call the new breed I have invented! I will call them Parson Patterdale Russells and one day they will be everyones favourite breed of dog....MWA HA HAAAA !!!! Ok, I admit it. Maybe I went a bit OTT but I still think that they may become very popular!
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I think what you have done is disgusting. To intentionally cross breed (no matter how "close") is irresponsible & inexcusable. Get your dogs neutered & grow up. If you were in the US you would be a back yard breeder. As far as I'm concerned, you still are.
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Sir, please see
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All you did was invent a custom MUTT.......you did nothing original, they can't be shown in a dog show, they have NO Papers, you are a bloody backyard breeder, so excuse me if I don't nominate your "invention" for a Nobel peace prize.....
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Too bad you cant trade them for brain cells. I had this discussion a few days ago with several of my training clients. It was luckily not based on any of them making this rediculous mistake, but merely brought up by one of them for the sake of discussion. We all decided that IF someone accidentally bred a female (as strange and irresponsible as it is), the ONLY RESPONSIBLE course of action would be the following....
#1: Take care of all of the health precautions with the vet from conception through 12 weeks of age when the pups go to new homes.
#2: Immediately upon learning of conception begin looking for suitable homes, interviewing the adopters, seeing their homes etc.
#3: Send the puppies home with atleast 2 books on raising puppies, a puppy crate (or a special dividable crate...the kind that is large enough for the puppy when he is an adult, but able to be divided into several different sizes as the pup grows), a collar and leash, several puppy safe toys (teething etc), a schedule of when to get each round of shots, a promisary note telling the adopter to send me a bill for atleast the first round of puppy shots (the first round after they go to their new homes).
#4: A legally binding contract garaunteeing that the puppies will be spayed/neutered.
#5: A similar contract regarding obedience training.
I suggest you strongly consider that list, and neuter and spay your dogs. People like you not only are directly responsible for the overflow of unwanted dogs and cats in animal shelters and on the streets, but also directly responsible for giving reputable and responsible breeders a bad name. I hope you lose many nights of sleep thinking about how strange and irresponsible you have been. You have intentionally created mutts, which are unwanted. Since anyone can go to their local animal shelter and adopt a mutt for free up to a small adoption fee, you should be ashamed of your not concern for the welfare of others.
Honestly I think since you are lacking of generosity enough to want to sell the puppies, you are undoubtedly lacking of generosity and strange enough to not pay the necessary money for vet costs, therefore you should take all of your dogs down to the local no kill animal shelter today and turn them over.
Peopl exactly like you make me sick.
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i dunno about you yanks, but here in the UK a patterdale / jack russel are one of the most sought after cross breeds. easily worth between £150 and £200. so cut the elite breeder poop. if you think cross breeding on purpose is wrong you are simply a retard.
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Just because they are sought after and can be sold for X amount of dollars makes them worth breeding??? Get a real job you lazy, half witt. We "YANKS" wupped your lousy butts when we had a few hundred men and mostly boys who had never fired a musket before...you twitts had the best army AND navy on earth and we wiped the floor with you. You still like to think your better than us.
Every now and then a certain fad rolls back around and becomes popular again...it's called Russian Roullette...just because the ignorant masses want to play it, doesn't mean its a good thing to do.
Having sex with a blender (while it is turned on) could become the new fad someday, but that doesn't mean it is a good thing to do.
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Its not only the yanks that feel that you are a backyard breeder. Candians feel the same way. Puppy mills and cross breeders are just as bad. What you are doing is horrible. I can understand breeding to strengthen a line, lets say GSD's for police work etc, or show i can understand as long as it is within limits. Breeding cross breeds in irresponsible and leads to genetic malformations and diseases later on in. Sooner or later it catchs up to them and the animals suffer due to heartless monsters like you playing frankeinstein.
There are too many animals in shelters and being put to sleep and with the two breeds that you have crossed, it will get worse. Dont tell me for one second that the British thank you for it, they dont. As to your comments about eliteist breeders, you should be ashamed, you are worse than a breeder for puppy mills. At least they dont cross the breeds and create more dogs that will need to be put down or will suffer because their owners cant afford vet care.
GROW UP BUDDY. GET YOUR ANIMALS SPAYED AND NEUTERED. stop the insanity.
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Exactly. If people want cross-breed dogs or puppies, tell them to get their butts over to the local animal shelter.
Seriously, when you spay and neuter your dogs and other animals, it's really for their safety. Cancers... pregnancy problems... its not worth it, for your dog's sake.
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"Custom Crossbreeds" or "Designer Dogs" will eventually be dropped, I have already seen the "Labradoodle" and the "Cockapoo" in my local shelter. They were dropped off for one reason or another. Probably when their owner noticed that they are NOT hypo-allergenic.
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i dont understand your elitest view on cross breeding dogs, i am not running a puppy farm, i am not in it for the money or to create "designer breeds"
pedigree dogs are only pedigree because of generations of in breeding. this in many cases has led to breed specific problems,
"Lymphomas are reported in pointers; heart disease is seen in boxers; Dobermans can experience bleeding disorders; Labradors can have skeletal malformation in the hips; eyesight problems can afflict Irish setters."
bbc.co.uk
"Many dog owners, who in the course of their lives have owned both cross breed rescue dogs and pedigrees purchased from breeders, find that it is the cross breed rescue dogs who display the most character, endear themselves most to their owners, and live the longest."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_dog
"A study released in 2000 examined the medical records of more than 200,000 dogs in the U.S. and Great Britain. It found that expensive breeds such as Boxers, Irish Wolfhounds and Great Danes are more likely to have at least one illness every year. A similar report by Swedish veterinarians confirms the theory - mixed breed mongrels (i.e., good ole companion dogs) are sturdier and healthier than purebred pedigrees. 26 percent of Boxers are likely to have expensive medical issues. Irish Wolfhounds came in second at 24 percent, followed by Great Danes at 23.9 percent. Mongrels fared the best at only 9 percent."
articlebarn.com
"There is of course a down side to this selective breeding that all pedigree dogs have. Not only have all the good looks and personality traits been passed down generation after generation but also genetic flaws. This means that many pedigree dog breeds suffer from a variety of physical ailments. These problems can be minor, such as a tendency to having ear infections or they can be severe with some breeds commonly experiencing epilepsy or chronic heart problems."
"Mixed dogs often suffer from fewer chronic ailments than pedigree dogs and are often healthier and live longer."
mayb you recognise the last 2 quotes? as for bringing up a war to argue a case against cross breeding dogs? , erm yeh if you want a debate on war fine but seems a little off topic.
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Did you get kicked in the head by a mule as child?
If you want a mixed breed great, go to the shelter. Pure breeds were designed for a purpose, somebody didn't just think "Hmm, I bet if I cross this with this people will give me money for them." The thought was "Hmm, I need a dog that does this really well. There isn't one (or those don't do it well enough) so I will get a few hundred people to help me cross these breeds with a specific set of goals. Dogs that don't meet what we want will be neutered/spayed and found good homes."
Responsible breeders don't take just any member of the breed and breed it to any other member of the same breed. They choose the best of the best and breed them when they have a waiting list of possible owners. If X dog has an average litter of 8 puppies, a responsible breeder waits until they have atleast 12 people waiting. The really good breeders don't have to wait because they always (365 days a year, for years and years) have a waiting list with thousands of names.
Arguing that mixed breeds CAN be healthier than pure breeds is rediculous. A mixed breed CAN be healthier, or it can be riddled with every canine disease and health issue known to man. A pure bred (assuming the buyer actually gets off their butts and does some research before bringing home puppy) will normally be extremely healthy. I have had German Shepherds for my entire life. My family and I have always done our research into the breeder, the breed, and the specific bloodlines of possible dogs/pups before buying. I have never had a health issue with a dog (that was related to breeding, genes). In all breeds of dogs, most of the health issues which are a result of being a certain breed are genetic...if mom and/or dad have X problem (or are carriers for X problem) the puppies (atleast some) are going to have it...this is the truth wether they are mixed or pure bred.
THAT my friend is why GOOD breeders show/work or otherwise compete their dogs (to prove their temperament and quality, how well they meet the breed standard and are worthy of breeding) and why they spend large sums of money on health, temperament, X-rays and genetic tests (again to prove the dogs are healthy, worthy candidates of breeding).
There are 2 and only 2 respectable, responsible reason to breed dogs...that is to improve the breed, or to create a new breed with a purpose.
Anyone who argues that breeding mixes is okay because people want them (or make any of the arguments you have made Luke) should not only be dis-allowed to breed dogs, but should not be permitted to own one either.
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you do raise some fair points, and for that at least i respect you however the patterdale / jack russel terrier is crossed for a purpose, had you done any of this so claimed research you would know this. My Patterdale X Jack Russell has just had an extremely healthy litter of puppies, the dog is also a patterdale / jack russel from very healthy lines of both jack "parsons" russel and patterdale, as is my bitch. Both the dog and my bitch are the first generation of cross. (i think thats how to put it best) and i have had to explain to 3 people that sadly the vets was correct and she had 4 healthy pups which were already lined up with families before she got pregnant, meaning 3 people whom had expressed an interest are now first of the list for a 2nd litter. if she has one.
i dont work my dog however the cross breed in question is worked extensively throughout britain, mainly as a ratter
the thought that because my dog isnt good enough for you means she should be neutered is just plain strange.
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Alright I will put it in this aspect for you. Say there is some individual that once a cross breed pup, they have heard they are good companions etc. as you stated.
Why should they go, spend time at the shelter picking out a jack russel terrier mix...it is so much easier to buy a mixed breed pup from a breeder, you see the parents, you meet the breeder and over all it is easier on everyone. But that mix in the shelter may not find a home. One more family decides to buy rather then adopt.
Creating more crossbreeds just is not helping things.